I AIN'T GOING NOWHERE

A special note to the fucking asshole who wrote me an email saying that I should stick only to horror movies, wrestling and broadway musicals and leave the politics alone, I have one thing to say: FUCK YOU.
That was a public service announcement from your favorite graveyard stomper.
ZM

GEORGE, BARNEY GIVES YOU TWO PAWS UP

In a video published on the Internet, Ayman al-Zawahiri called Mr Bush a "lying failure" and said al-Qaeda was stronger than ever.

The Egyptian militant, who is seen as the group’s ideologue, has eluded capture despite a $25m bounty on his head.

In the latest video, Zawahiri said: "We have gained more strength and we are more insistent on martyrdom.

"Bush, oh failure and liar, why don’t you be courageous for once and confront your people and tell them the truth about your losses in Iraq and Afghanistan." Read on…

Okay, granted, you have to expect that the "Number Two" guy for Al Qaeda (a dubious distinction, how many of them are there?) would be less than glowing in his references to our presence in the Middle East.

The only problem is, he’s not alone. World Public Opinion.org had PIPA run a survey in Iraq and came up with some disturbing results:

seven in ten Iraqis want US-led forces to commit to withdraw within a year. An overwhelming majority believes that the US military presence in Iraq is provoking more conflict than it is preventing and there is growing confidence in the Iraqi army. If the US made a commitment to withdraw, a majority believes that this would strengthen the Iraqi government. Support for attacks on US-led forces has grown to a majority position-now six in ten. Support appears to be related to a widespread perception, held by all ethnic groups, that the US government plans to have permanent military bases in Iraq.

Support for US withdrawal appears to be derived from a widespread perception that the presence of US-led forces is having a net negative effect on the situation in Iraq. Large numbers say that the US military presence is "provoking more conflict than it is preventing." This view is held by 78 percent overall, and by 82 percent of Shias and a near-unanimous 97 percent of Sunnis. The Kurds diverge, with 56 percent taking the opposing view that the US military presence is "a stabilizing force."

Among those who believe that US presence is provoking more conflict 82 percent favor withdrawal of US forces within a year. Among those who believe that it is a stabilizing force, just 33 percent favor withdrawal in this time frame.

More broadly, 79 percent of Iraqis say that the US is having a negative influence on the situation in Iraq, with just 14 percent saying that it is having a positive influence. Views are especially negative among the Sunnis (96% negative), and the Shias (87% negative). However, a plurality of Kurds (48%) say that the US is having a positive influence, while just 34 percent say it is having a negative influence.

Confidence in the US military is quite low. Eighty-four percent say they have little (22%) or no (62%) confidence in the US military. An extraordinary 98 percent of Sunnis take this view (no confidence 85%, a little 13%) as do 91 percent of Shias (no confidence 66%, a little 25%). However a majority of Kurds-55%-express confidence in the US military (some 37%, a lot 18%), while 45 percent do not express confidence (no confidence 17%, a little 28%).


Support for attacks against US-led forces has increased sharply to 61 percent (27% strongly, 34% somewhat). This represents a 14-point increase from January 2006, when only 47 percent of Iraqis supported attacks.

This change is due primarily to a dramatic 21-point increase among Shias, whose approval of attacks has risen from 41 percent in January to 62 percent in September. A very large majority (86%) of Kurds disapprove of attacks (59% strongly), with only 15 percent supporting them. Kurdish disapproval is up slightly from January, when it was 81 percent, but approval of attacks has held constant. Similarly, Sunni support for attacks has remained relatively constant with 92 percent approving (up only slightly from 88% in January).

So if I have this straight, Al Qaeda may sneer at your efforts, the Iraqis may want you to get the hell out of their country and the rest of the Middle East may see you as a destabilizing force, but don’t feel bad, George, Barney gives you two paws up! Heckuva job, Bushie

~~~~~~Forever A Facetious Pain~~~~~~
~~~~~~Sweetest Smiles Yet~~~~~~

Thanks go out to Crooks & Liars

ALL THE PRESIDENT'S LIES

After watching this, I dare anyone to say that Bush didn't drop the ball with BinLaden & 911.
BinLaden was offered to Bush in Feb, of 2001, after BinLaden was wanted in the States and before 9-11.



I'm demanding answers from any that support Bush and blame 9-11 on Clinton. I demand to know how anyone in their right minds can even begin to say there was no way anyone could conceive a terrorist act by planes. Enough BS excuses, enough BS party reasons, I WANT ANSWERS!!!

I have has enough of the tip-toe reasons given. Bush did NOT one damn thing to secure OUR country pre 9-11. Do not give me the bs that he has kept the country safe since then, he could have kept the country safe pre 9-11, it never had to happen. As far as he has kept the country safe since 9-11, show me PROOF!!! Cause all I see is Bush's word that this is true, and forgive me if I don't have much faith in his 'word' with all the lies he has fed us, the American people.

I WANT ANSWERS AND I WANT THE TRUTH!!!! Come on someone tell me how you can trust Bush, give me a reason to believe. Someone explain to me how Bush has no responbility for allowing 9-11 to happen, and damn it do NOT insult me with more BS, show me proof.

~~~~~~Forever A Facetiuos Pain~~~~~~
~~~~~~No Smiles on this~~~~~~

CACI MADE $$ TORTURING AT ABU GHRAIB

CACI made money from torturing and then covered it up.



I want to see someone say after watching this clip that it was the Iraqis only that were torturing at Abu Ghraib. How much more pain and killing is this current admin going to get away with?

When are people going to see, this war is for big business, like Halliburton, Excon, CACI, Blackwater, just to mention a few.

Since when did the US become a country that goes to war for big business, when?

~~~~~~Forever A Facetious Pain~~~~~~
~~~~~~Sweetest Smiles~~~~~~

JESUS CAMP

WOW, I couldn't have put what needed to be said better that the guy above did!

This is the link to the preview of, "JESUS CAMP." Some REALLY frightening stuff!

Just my thoughts.

TRAITOR?

Traitor- Disloyal Person. (Webster New World Dictionary).
Disloyal- Not Loyal (Webster New World Dictionary)
Loyal- Faithful to one's country, friends, etc.

So, By rights a traitor is someone who is disloyal to one's country. That name DOES NOT fit the Democratic party as believed by some small-minded people who work for right-wing media, the party is demonized for not being committed to President Bush's vision of the fight on global terror. We are called disloyal for raising questions about how it is fought and why are certain parties still roaming free while a country is near ruin for no reason, meanwhile people who out CIA agents are allowed to get off scott free.

When did the world turn upside down and why was I not given a memo about it beforehand? We are not disloyal people. We are the most caring ones in the world and far from traitors because we believe in freedom and individual rights. So, if you want to find the most disloyal people in America, you need to look no further than the White House. The traitors are in there and we have the duty as American citizens to remove them and be sure to make it that they never hold that house hostage again.

The traitors can also be found on Fox News and on the radio like Rush Limbaugh They also are found on the internet like on blogs called ConservativeThink. They yell the loudest and are the first to point their bloody finger at us for being brave enough to raise questions and voice doubts about situations that affect our lives. They also have to remember that if they point a finger at us, they got 3 pointing back at them.

So, this begs the question: Who is the traitor now? Makes you think, don't it.

ZM

THIS IS WHAT JOURNALISM COULD BE...

...if only journalists took seriously their vital obligation to dig deeply enough to find the truth. Not only is Keith Olbermann using his microphone to genuinely speak truth to power, his show is engaged in stunning works of investigative journalism. While babbling heads spin furiously to protect the Bushites from harm, Olbermann's team did something that is far rarer than it should be - They found the facts and reported the truth.

Pay special attention to Ari Fleischer brushing aside a question about Afghanistan and Bin Ladin. Clinton didn't drop a deal to take Bin Ladin from Sudan, (despite ceaseless wingnut attempts to claim he did) but apparently Bush ignored a possible deal to take him from the Taliban. The deal may not have been workable, but all evidence shows that Bush, as is his wont, did nothing.

Condi Rice is also shown to be a liar on several fronts. They were given a conprehensive plan from Richard Clarke, including notes on the urgency of dealing with terrorism. This report also shows that on several occasions, despite Rice's feckless protestations, our government was familiar with several attempts by terrorists to hijack planes to fly into buildings.

For many of us in Paltalk, nothing in that report is necessarily new information. I'm just ecstatic that someone is finally showing it to the American people.

JC

IRAQ FOR SELL: THE WAR PROFITEERS

Everyone needs to take a look at this. It shows how companies like Halliburton profits at the cost of lives in Iraq.



You can get more trailers and info on this movie at Iraq for Sale.

POLITICAL GUMPTION

Well it seems as though the Dummie crew at Political GUMPtion are back at their same old bullshit. Now I am no great fan of conservatives and their viewpoints, but that is NOT a reason for them to be unjustifiably threaten in a room by an admin. I was just sitting quietly in Political Junction when this occurred, and although I no longer thought anything that happened in Dummie's room would surprise me, I was mistaken. ArchieBunker had just came into room and as always there really was not any true topic in the room. I mean come on, that would be expecting too much from a room that Dummie & Assy runs, whose combined IQ might equal that of Bush. Now mamal came said a few things about Clinton and how they think Clinton would make a good candidate for general secretary of the UN. Of course ArchieBunker; along with a few others, had something to say about that. Here is what followed, after you have a chance to read this I have a few more things to say, they don't call me Facetious for nothing.

mamal_8: pals , what do you think ? shall clinton be the general secretary of the UN?

mystified2_1: mamal, I think he'd make a GREAT Secy Gen.

mamal_8: mystified right ! i thing the same !

mamal_8: think sorry

mamal_8: i,ve wrote an email to my president ahmadi nejad suggest bil clinton as the general seretary of the UN 2 day,s ago .

MrArchieBunker: mamal_8: i,ve wrote an email to my president ahmadi nejad suggest bil clinton as the general seretary of the UN 2 day,s ago . <<---LMAO

mamal_8: archi is it funny ? why ?

MrArchieBunker: Because you will probably be thrown in prison for writing such a letter, mamal

mamal_8: archi lol no way pal , u r wrong .

ZenFriendly: here's archie.....threatening people again

mamal_8: archi , anyway i want the clinton back at the top , the world is needing him , and he can not refuse , because he is extremly cool .

mystified2_1: Just scrolled back. NO threats, Archie

MrArchieBunker: EXCUSE ME??

mystified2_1: sorry, missed that one

MrArchieBunker: WHOM DID I THREATEN??

mystified2_1: Archie, theatened jail. Scroll back.

MrArchieBunker: Mystifiied, go back to admin school

MrArchieBunker: I threatened no one, and I resent anyone implying I did

Brutelogic: Archie...........agreed, you didnt

mystified2_1: Then consider it a caution, as it was meant, Archie. Now move on.

Brutelogic: Remember archie.......we have to be alert to.........Lack of education

MrArchieBunker: I'll move on when I feel like it

MrArchieBunker: No admin tells me waht to type or say, EVER

The fact that they are making it where I have to defend a conservative is annoying as hell, but if we are to be better and act in a way that is true, I have no other choice but to do this. Since when did making a remark as 'you would probably go to jail' in a joking matter become a threat? Now also remember this is Dummie's room we are talking about, you know the room that allows TOS's so often everyone is amazed there isn't a red admin permanently seated in there. You know the room that we have all see death threats, racist remarks, sexual harassment, plus much, much more and worst?


Noticed that the person that Archie is accused of 'threatening' carries on a conversation with Archie for several minutes, she had no complaint of a threat. Yet, when someone else says 'here's archie.....threatening people again' all of a sudden here comes a Political GUMPtion admin full force to defend the room against TOS, never mind that ten minutes earlier someone used the term r@ghe@d that went completely ignored. Now I will admit at this point I'm stumped by what is occurring, I mean Archie being threaten by an admin in Dummie's room? The only explanation I could possibly come up with is that the only 'acting admin' (although Assy and Dummie were there) is new and truly believes the bullshit Assy and Dummie tell all of their new admins, that they are fair~~cough, cough, gag, gag~~ and they don't show favoritism. Yet, even if this was true ~~and pigs are spouting wings~~ there was no threat in any definition of the word.

See I have been sitting back in the shadows in Political GUMPtion and watching Assy & Dummie's new old tactic on having the number one room in SI. They are now playing at being these sweet ~~where is the bucket~~understanding, fair, liberals. This is a tactic they have tried before and it worked, although if one sits there longer enough to see the chatters of the room change one can see how Assy and Dummie's attitudes change.

Yet, I suspect that Assy and/or Dummie pmed the newest admin of Political GUMPtion to inform them not to bounce or even red dot Archie for his alleged threat. For if you read the entire room text, you will see Archie not only questioned the admin's call but also defied them. This shows me that Dummie and Assy, still show great favoritism for their followers.

How can I dare speak this atrocity against Political GUMPtion, the fair ~~like Faux news~~ SI room? Well let one of us non-worshippers of Dummie and Assy even attempt to say 'I didn't mean that as a threat', no less say you resent their 'call', you would get bounced out so fast you would have to wait for your head to catch up with your ass.

I also feel as though I wouldn't be a good person if I didn't take this chance to warn the newest admin in Political GUMPtion to be forewarned. For if they ever dare question the actions and/or rules of the room, they would find themselves attacked and hat removed faster than a liberal gets bounced from Conservatives are US.

Now with my public service done, I can go about my day with my head held high.

~~~~~~Forever A Facetious Pain~~~~~~
~~~~~~Sweet Smiles~~~~~~

JAY156 - THE IMPLODER

Once again, our hapless jay156 demonstrates for all the world to see just how much the unfettered amateur he really is. His prepubescent tantrums are growing in frequency and are increasingly wanting of gravamen. His are the rantings of a desperate, scared little boy seeking the attention of the grown-ups.

Jay is one of the many neocon nitwits who goes to extraordinary lengths to feign superior acumen in an effort to carry on a "meaningful" conversation with adults; however, when the moment of truth is at hand, jay delivers one of his neocanned obloquials and lets the proverbial cat out of the bag: jay suffers from a permanent case of the dumbass (not to mention he is the commensurate coward)! His comments in this forum are a testament to that conclusion.

Jay simply needs to act and think like an adult rather than a child - he needs to lay off of his momma's breast milk and be a real man and not the impotent eunuch he absconds by playing "tough guy" in blogs and chat rooms. Jay just isn't credible and is even less convincing.

I think William Shakespeare sums jay up quite nicely: "[He] shows a will most incorrect to heaven, a heart unfortified, a mind impatient, [and] an understanding simple and unschool'd."

As a matter of fact - that applies to all neocons. And I've made jay feel all special. How clumsy of me!

Vac

I HAVE ACCEPTED KEITH OLBERMANN AS MY PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR

Watch this, and tell me you don't want to stand up and cheer.

JC

TO THE SCUM ATTACKING JUST_APRIL1974

To the scum-bag, yellow bellied, cowardly, sissyfied, low life, gutlles, pile of elephant shit who keeps going from room to room posting sick, vile, wicked shit about my deceased daughter, I would advise you to stop now while you are ahead or I will make it my sole purpose (and I have ALLOT of time in which to do so) to hunt you down, cyber slit the skin on your SMALL, TINY, PEA SIZED LITTLE CYBER BALLS, PEEL IT BACK EVER SO SLOWLY, then pull those balls from their little perch and shove them up your anus, at which point I will drop kick you so hard in the ass they will travel through your intestines and lodge in your nostrils! THEN... I will peel the skin off of your pint sized little dick, rip it off, stick it on top of your head, cut your cyber dick off, and shove it down your throat so that you cannot go around spreading your sickness among others because your WUSSIE little ass cannot debate or insult without stooping to the level to which you go back to belly crawlling through the rotten sewage of human excrement!!! DO NOT test my resolve on this issue! I am a mother, and NOTHING means more to me than my children! If you were a human being, your sorry ass would comprehend this.

PUPPY LOVE

Just a quick hello to blue dog! (sniffs bum) I am disappointed in your right wing dogma but you have dreamy eyes and such a waggly tail. Give up your right wing ways! It shouldn't be a dog eat dog world. lick your puppies, love, CassieLib.

WE ARE PATRIOTS!!!!!

A patriot does not tell people who are intensely concerned about their country to just sit down and be quiet; to refrain from speaking out in the name of politeness or for the sake of being a good host; to show slavish, blind obedience and deference to a dishonest, war-mongering, human-rights-violating president.

That is not a patriot. Rather, that person is a sycophant. That person is a member of a frightening culture of obedience -- a culture where falling in line with authority is more important than choosing what is right, even if it is not easy, safe, or popular. And, I suspect, that person is afraid -- afraid we are right, afraid of the truth (even to the point of denying it), afraid he or she has put in with an oppressive, inhumane, regime that does not respect the laws and traditions of our country, and that history will rank as the worst presidency our nation has ever had to endure.

In response to those who believe we should blindly support this disastrous president, his administration, and the complacent, complicit Congress, listen to the words of Theodore Roosevelt, a great president and a Republican, who said:

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

We are patriots. We're deeply concerned. And we demand change, now.

No more lies from Condoleezza Rice about whether she and President Bush were advised before 9/11 of the possibility of planes being flown into buildings by terrorists.

No more gross incompetence in the office of the Secretary of Defense.

No more torture of human beings.

No more disregard of the basic human rights enshrined in the Geneva Convention.

No more kidnapping of people and sending them off to secret prisons in nations where we can expect they will be tortured.

No more unconstitutional wiretapping of Americans.

No more proposed amendments to the United States Constitution that would, for the first time, limit fundamental rights and liberties for entire classes of people simply on the basis of sexual orientation.

No more federal land giveaways to developers.

No more increases in mercury emissions from old, dirty, dangerous coalburning power plants.

No more backroom deals that deprive protection for millions of acres of wild lands.

No more attacks on immigrants who work so hard to build better lives.

No more inaction by Congress on fixing our hypocritical and inconsistent immigration laws and policies.

No more reliance on fiction rather than the science of global warming.

No more manipulation of our media with false propaganda.

No more disastrous cuts in funding for those most in need.

No more federal cuts in community policing and local law enforcement grant programs for our cities.

No more inaction on stopping the genocide in the Darfur region of Sudan.

No more of the Patriot Act.

No more killing.

No more pre-emptive wars.

No more contempt for our long-time allies around the world.

No more dependence on foreign oil.

No more failure to impose increased fuel efficiency standards for automobiles.

No more energy policies developed in secret meetings between dick Cheney and his energy company cronies.

No more excuses for failing to aggressively cut global warming pollutant emissions.

No more tragically incompetent federal responses to natural disasters.

No more tax cuts for the wealthiest, while the middle class and those who are economically-disadvantaged continue to struggle more and more each year.

No more reckless spending and massive tax cuts, resulting in historic deficits and historic accumulated national debt.

No more purchasing of elections by the wealthiest corporations and individuals in the country.

No more phony, ineffective, inhumane so-called war on drugs.

No more failure to pass an increase in the minimum wage.

No more silence by the American people.

This is a new day. We will not be silent. We will continue to raise our voices. We will bring others with us. We will grow and grow, regardless of political party -- unified in our insistence upon the truth, upon peace-making, upon more humane treatment of our brothers and sisters around the world. We will be ever cognizant of our moral responsibility to speak up in the face of wrongdoing, and to work as we can for a better, safer, more just community, nation, and world.

So we won't let down. We won't be quiet. We will continue to resist the lies, the deception, the outrages of the Bush administration. We will insist that peace be pursued, and that, as a nation, we help those in need. We must break the cycle of hatred, of intolerance, of exploitation. We must pursue peace as vigorously as the Bush administration has pursued war. It's up to all of us to do our part.

~~~~~~Forever A Facetious Pain~~~~~~
~~~~~~Sweet Smiles~~~~~~
Coming soon Part II of Republican's Unwinnable Wars, hope to see you there :o)

IS THAT IT?

Did you notice that The Tattler stopped publishing and slithered into a hole within days of her identity being revealed by isabellah-1 here and on her own blog, Outside the Bucket? Attila can deny it as much as she wants, but her cowardice speaks for itself. The Tattler seems to get passed around from chatter to chatter, which is why the quality is so erratic, ranging from clever parodies to subliterate dirt scratchings. Too bad for AttilaTheHen that when it was her turn with the site, she got radar-painted and obliterated.

isa, it's too bad you went for the decapitation strike so quickly. I was hoping for more carnage. It's no fun when they give up so easily.

JC

RETIRED OFFICERS TO CRITICISE RUMSFELD

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WASHINGTON - Retired military officers on Monday are expected to bluntly accuse Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld of bungling the war in Iraq, saying U.S. troops were sent to fight without the best equipment and that critical facts were hidden from the public."I believe that Secretary Rumsfeld and others in the administration did not tell the American people the truth for fear of losing support for the war in Iraq," retired Maj. Gen. John R. S. Batiste said in remarks prepared for a hearing by the Senate Democratic Policy Committee.A second witness, retired Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton, is expected to assess Rumsfeld as "incompetent strategically, operationally and tactically ....""Mr. Rumsfeld and his immediate team must be replaced or we will see two more years of extraordinarily bad decision-making," said his testimony prepared for the hearing, to be held six weeks before the Nov. 7 midterm elections in which the war is a central issue.The conflict, now in its fourth year, has claimed the lives of more than 2,600 American troops and cost more than $300 billion.Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., the committee chairman, told reporters last week that he hoped the hearing would shed light on the planning and conduct of the war. He said majority Republicans had failed to conduct hearings on the issue, adding, "if they won't ... we will."Since he spoke, a government-produced National Intelligence Estimate became public that concluded the war has helped create a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.


Since he spoke, a government-produced National Intelligence Estimate became public that concluded the war has helped create a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the attacks of Sept. 11,2001.

Hello people?! Many of us have been saying these things for quite some time now, what will it take to get people to open their eyes, clean the proverbial Bushit out of their ears, and simply LISTEN to what has become mere COMMON SENSE to most of us?! Put yourself in the shoes of the farmers who's fields have been plowed and burned, supposedly because the military says that they offer a place for terrorist to hide, how would YOU feel if your only means to feed and clothe your children was ripped out from under you? How would YOU feel if you were then threatened, or even beaten for speaking out against these abuses? How would YOU feel if you, your wife, your children, your neighbors, or other family member were beaten, kidnapped, harassed, even tortured or murdered, and you saw no justice?! All in the name of power, control, and money. Don't you believe that if these things were happening in America, that there would be an uprising of people who would lash out to hurt those responsible in any way that they could? You are damned right there would be! People would NEVER tolerate being threatened in such a manner in America! Then how is it that normal, rational people could expect that anyone, in any other country, would accept such treatment? If anyone can give me a solid, rational reason to explain why, I would love to hear it.

Just my thoughts.

THE BIG DOG STRIKES BACK

If you've been living on Pluto for the last few days, (and sorry, by the way, for them downgrading your home to Subplantetoid AlphaBetaNiner) you may have missed Bill Clinton dropping the Mighty Warhammer of Justice on the brittle skull of Fox News' Chris Wallace:





The interview starts slowly, covering Clinton's new charity work, but when Wallace brings some mealy-mouthed nonsense about Clinton ignoring Bin Ladin, The Big Dog sliced him up bloodier than The Bride left the Crazy 88 in Kill Bill. And by that I mean slippery floors, severed limbs, and a lot of screaming.

And you know what impressed me the most? Bill was willing to admit that he feels like he failed, because he was not able to kill Osama. You could see he was genuinely sorry, much like Richard Clarke was, testifying before the 9/11 Commission. When has Bush ever behaved like he was sorry for anything? Was he sorry for demoting Clarke and never having a counterterrorism meeting until days before the attack? No. Was he sorry for ignoring the August 6th PDB? No. In the end, Clinton was absolutely right. At least he tried.

JC

IT DOESN'T PAY TO BE STUPID WHEN YOU'RE A 101ST PALTALK CHAIRBORNE RANGER

Maybe we can print out the newest National Intelligence Estimate into a phonebook-sized form and beat Waiting_for_Godot senseless with it:

NYT:

Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Worsens Terror Threat

WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 — A stark assessment of terrorism trends by American intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.

The classified National Intelligence Estimate attributes a more direct role to the Iraq war in fueling radicalism than that presented either in recent White House documents or in a report released Wednesday by the House Intelligence Committee, according to several officials in Washington involved in preparing the assessment or who have read the final document.

The intelligence estimate, completed in April, is the first formal appraisal of global terrorism by United States intelligence agencies since the Iraq war began, and represents a consensus view of the 16 disparate spy services inside government. Titled “Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States,’’ it asserts that Islamic radicalism, rather than being in retreat, has metastasized and spread across the globe.

An opening section of the report, “Indicators of the Spread of the Global Jihadist Movement,” cites the Iraq war as a reason for the diffusion of jihad ideology.

The report “says that the Iraq war has made the overall terrorism problem worse,” said one American intelligence official.

We've tried for years to explain this to knuckleheads like Godot, who pay lip service to opposing Bush, but have no clue how to fight against terrorist cells. You can tell just by listening that Godot looks in the mirror and sees General Patton squinting back with steely resolve. He glares at all the "cowards" and "libruls" in paltalk with contempt, spit-shining his tin medals. "If only they'd listen to me," he thinks, "If only they knew what had to be done."

Well, welcome to your debacle, you moron. You can fight terrorism effectively without foolish bravado, Godot, because it's the mindless machismo that makes you think you can ignore reality and rationality. We all know that the Bobby McGee's are off the rails, but you don't get that you're just as far off the rails in the opposite direction. And this newest NIE proves it. We were right all along, and we tried to warn you. I still hear you bellowing about fighting the Iraqi insurgency, as if that's a major front in fighting terrorism. Do you still not get that the entire muslim world is not one giant monolithic entity? That different groups can have different ideologies, and different goals? And at long last, after three years of war, can you not understand that our only major accomplishment is dramatically increasing the power of Iran?

While you and your ilk have been yelling about Iraq, Islamic jihadism has been looming larger and stronger. And if soon we are able to sweep Bush and his neocon Republican cabal out of our way, to grab the controls before we tumble over the brink, we're going to have to sweep you out of the way too. I get that you want to fight terrorism. We do too. The new NIE proves you wouldn't be smart enough to run the show. So why don't you go lie down and let us handle it?

JC

THANK YOU, TOM JOAD

I wanted to thank Tom Joad for inviting me to his room, sharp witted intellectual repartee to hear the audio recording of Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States. If you see him around SI, be sure to bug him about doing it again soon. If you haven't read or heard this book, you are missing out. Luckily for you, this is a link to the full text of the book online.

What we should do is toss a few neocons like MrArchieBunker and Vic Ferrari into a van, tie them to chairs, and force them to listen to 40 straight hours of Zinn's book, as read by Matt Damon. Hey, neocons fully support torture, so they have nothing to complain about.

JC

THE RETURN OF THE REVENGE OF THE SECOND COMING OF ANONYMOUS COMMENTS

I think it's time we brought back anonymous commenting at The Rattler. From now on, if you have an opinion but don't want anyone to connect you to it, this is the place for you. I hope you don't use this opportunity to bash other PT chatters or spread malicious gossip, because that would be wrong...so deliciously wrong...

JC

CAMPAIGN 2006: ISSUES, STAKES, PROSPECTS

Scare the hell out of the American people. That, in a nutshell, is the Republicans’ fall congressional campaign strategy. If you doubt it, consider the following: George W. Bush launched a propaganda offensive in the run-up to the 9/11 anniversary with a speech in which he called Islamic terrorists “successors to fascists, to Nazis, to communists and other totalitarians of the 20th century”; Donald Rumsfeld in turn likened administration critics (read Democrats) to those who appeased Nazi Germany in the 1930s; Dick Cheney, appearing on Meet the Press, accused opponents of the war of inviting more violence; Rep. Peter Hoekstra, a Michigan Republican and chairman of the House Intelligence Committee in August released a hyped report on the supposedly grave threat to US national security posed by Iran—one strikingly similar to the hyped intelligence documents the administration used to build its case for war in Iraq.

I could go on, but you get the idea: The GOP is dusting off a strategy that’s worked wonders...read more, it’s your country!


~~~~~~Forever A Facetious Pain~~~~~~
~~~~~~Hopeful Smiles~~~~~~

THE FACE OF THE NEW CONSERVATIVE

Magnum was babbling along about liberals, and he repeats himself so much, that this is the image that I kept getting over and over in my head of him, like a sadistic movie of exactly why our country is in such distress at the moment. With conservatives like MagnumImpotent running this country, what more can we hope for but a complete disaster.

A SIGN OF THINGS TO COME

Ok, just a little post to let everyone know that I have not forgotten about this news site. The makeover fits me nicely with the black trim and wider screen for people to read. Nice Jesus, Real Nice.

Hugo Chavez called Bush the devil and got a standing ovation for it in the UN, then spoke at a college and called him a drunk. I think there is a precedent here being set and it shows that REAL men still speak the truth after all. Our leader is not above criticism and I think it shows. I say the more other world leaders preach the truth, the more Americans will see what Bush is really about. To those Democratics who stuck up for Bush: SHAME ON YOU! As the midterm elections are coming up, the races get more interesting and I am ready for the shift in power that's coming, is Mr. Soon To Be Lame Duck? Makes you wonder.

I see the tattler and conservastink have done nothing with their respective (and I use the term loosely) blogs. I wonder if they came back to reality after fainting at the latest truth to come out of the UN. We will see about that.

More to come later...Im tired and wanted to get this off my chest.
ZM

SLAPPING ON A NEW COAT OF PAINT

So you may have noticed a subtle alteration in the appearance of the blog. I felt like a change was needed. Primarily, I wanted to stretch the blog wider to fit into 1024x768 screens, so that longer posts don't force you to scroll as much to get past. Let me know in comments, or PM on Pal, what you think of the new template. We have a tool that allows us to use many colors and/or pictures as textures, so if you have a bright idea about how the blog should look, share it with the rest of the class!

JC

RETIRED OFFICERS TO CRITICISE RUMSFELD

DEAR MR. PRESIDENT

Nothing else I could possibly add.

UNWINNABLE WARS OF THE REPUBLICANS: PART 1

As I sat watching C-Span a thought occurred to me, how many more unwinnable wars will the republicans back? We had the Vietnam War, War Against Drugs, Desert Storm and now the newest failure of republicans choice of wars, War Against Terrorism. Now I'm going to address each one of these one by one.

Unwinnable Wars of The Republicans part one
Vietnam War:

Let's start with some historic facts, shall we?

The Vietnam War was a conflict in which the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV or North Vietnam) and its allies fought against the Republic of Vietnam (RVN or South Vietnam) and its allies. By its end in 1975, the Vietnam War had claimed between two and four million lives. It is also known as Vietnam Conflict, the Second Indochina War and colloquially as Vietnam, The ’Nam or simply ’Nam. Vietnamese Communists have often referred to it as the American War or Kháng chiến chống Mỹ, the Resistance War Against America.

North Vietnam’s allies included the National Front for the Liberation of South Vietnam, the Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China. South Vietnam's main allies included the United States, Australia, New Zealand and South Korea; South Vietnam's allies deployed large numbers of troops. American combat troops were involved from 1959, but not in large numbers until 1965. They left the country in 1973. A large number of civilian casualties resulted from the war, which ended on April 30, 1975, with the capitulation of South Vietnam.

Now that we got the history out of the way, let's break this down. In 1959 Dwight David Eisenhower was president of the US, in fact he was president until 1961 and was a republican with Richard M. Nixon as his vice president. On 20th January, 1953 Eisenhower became the first soldier-President since Ulysses Grant (1869-77). Eisenhower left party matters to his vice-president, Richard Nixon (we all know his story).

Eisenhower's government was severely concerned about the success of communism in South East Asia. Between 1950 and 1953 they had lost 142,000 soldiers in attempting to stop communism entering South Korea. The United States feared that their efforts would have been wasted if communism were to spread to South Vietnam. Eisenhower was aware that he would have difficulty in persuading the American public to support another war so quickly after Korea. He therefore decided to rely on a small group of Military Advisers' to prevent South Vietnam becoming a communist state.

In foreign affairs during this period he relied heavily on Richard Nixon and his secretary of state, John Foster Dulles. During the Suez Crisis President Dwight Eisenhower refused to support the Anglo-French action against Gamal Abdel Nasser in Egypt. Afterwards his Secretary of State, John Foster Dulles, became concerned about the growing influence of the Soviet Union in the Middle East.

In January 1957 made a speech in Congress where Eisenhower recommended the use of American forces to protect Middle East states against overt aggression from nations "controlled by international communism"(my, how views have changed for the middle east). He also urged the provision of economic aid to those countries with anti-communist governments. This new foreign policy became known as the Eisenhower Doctrine.

As one can easily see here Eisenhower relied deeply on Nixon for most matters, while in the White House. Now I know that 'Ike' went down as one of the favorite presidents of the United States, but here is some info most don't know or simply refuse to 'remember'.

President Eisenhower is viewed by some Americans as having little or no interest in eliminating racial discrimination and segregation in American society. Others believe that he did very little to promote equal treatment for minority Americans during his presidency. In an entry from Ike's diary addresses his thought about segregation and I quote

"Dwight D. Eisenhower, diary entry (24th July, 1953)
A few days ago I had luncheon with Governor Byrnes of South Carolina, my great friend, a man in whose company I always find a great deal for enjoyment.
He came to talk to me about the possibility of a supreme court ruling that would abolish segregation in public schools of the country. He is very fearful of the consequences in the South. He did not dwell long upon the possibility of riots, resultant ill feeling, and the like. He merely expressed very seriously the opinion that a number of states would immediately cease support for public schools.

During the course of this conversation, the governor brought out several times that the South no longer finds any great problem in dealing with adult Negroes. They are frightened at putting the children together.

The governor was obviously afraid that I would be carried away by the hope of capturing the Negro vote in this country, and as a consequence take a stand on the question that would forever defeat any possibility of developing a real Republican or "opposition" party in the South.

I told him that while I was not going to give in advance my attitude toward a supreme court opinion that I had not even seen and so could not know in what terms it would be couched, that my convictions would not be formed by political expediency. He is well aware of my belief that improvement in race relations is one of those things that will be healthy and sound only if it starts locally. I do not believe that prejudices, even palpably unjustified prejudices, will succumb to compulsion.

Consequently, I believe that federal law imposed upon our states in such a way as to bring about a conflict of the police powers of the states and of the nation, would set back the cause of progress in race relations for a long, long time."

As one can see within the highlighted part 'Ike' was against the possibility of a supreme court ruling that would rid the US of segregation, but hey he was a likable type of guy.

Here are some quotes from people of that era about Eisenhower:

"The incredible dullness wreaked upon the American landscape in Eisenhower's eight years has been the triumph of the corporation. A tasteless, sexless, odorless sanctity in architecture, manners, modes, styles has been the result. Eisenhower embodied half the needs of the nation, the needs of the timid, the petrified, the sanctimonious and the sluggish."--Norman Mailer, The Presidential Papers

"The trouble with Eisenhower is he's just a coward. He hasn't got any backbone at all. Ike didn't know anything, and all the time he was in office he didn't learn a thing."--Harry S Truman, 1961

"I doubt very much if a man whose main literary interests were in works by Mr. Zane Grey, admirable as they may be, is particularly well equipped to be chief executive of this country--particularly where Indian affairs are concerned."--Dean Acheson

Eisenhower also set the record for running up more debt than any earlier president, primarily to serve the requests of what Republican President Eisenhower had, with alarm, termed the "military- industrial complex." this record being broken only by Reagan and George W Bush, both who are/were republican.

Let's look a little further back into Einenhower's past, Hey how about what he wrote during his military career
"God, I hate the Germans..." (Dwight David Eisenhower in a letter to his wife in September, 1944.

Wonder how many know about 'Eisenhower's Death Camps' and how horrible they were and how injustice, yet 'Ike' was a nice guy, Americans bend backwards to be nice and friendly among ourselves as well as with foreigners. In our zeal to retain the image of nice guyism, we go to extremes rarely witnessed in other societies and give rise sometimes to very amusing, if not ludicrous, situations. The defeat many years earlier of the eminent intellectual Presidential candidate, Adlai Stevenson, at the hands of a grin-gifted Gen. Eisenhower, was nothing but a reflection of the preference of the people for a friendly, nice guy to an erudite, awesome intellectual.

Now that I have bored you to tears the point is, the Vietnam War was NOT won in any sense of the matter, I know many will try to disagree with this statement and I challenge them to explain how the Vietnam War was won. We were engaged in the Vietnam War earlier than most know and it was under the presidential ruling of a republican.

I would strongly suggest the reading of 'Eisenhower's Death Camps': A U.S. Prison Guard's Story. I think if one takes the time to read this, they will easily see the similarities of Unwinnable Wars of The Republicans.

~~~~~~Forever A Facetious Pain~~~~~~
~~~~~~Sweet Smiles~~~~~~

This is only part one of a five part series in the Unwinnable Wars of the Republicans, stay turn for more, same facetious channel, same facetious time. Hope to see you there!!!

HE IS SORRY...A SORRY EXCUSE FOR A PRESIDENT

Is Bush even capable of apologizing? He can make a mealymouthed admission that mistakes were made, but he's been a spoiled punk for so long, I don't think there's any genuine remorse in him.

JC

SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS

Is former Texas Governor George W. Bush a war criminal? Many would argue you don’t have to do a whole lot of in-depth research to affirm that question. I would argue Bush has committed crimes against humanity and war crimes by his own admission, and is, by his own admission, a war criminal. Even a cursory review of Bush’s policies provides ample evidence of an agenda predicated upon the narrowly-focused and dangerous ambitions of the ultra- neo-liberal Project for the New American Century (PNAC) as described in Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century, and not on his public declarations of fostering democratic principles around the globe. It is Bush’s commitment to bankrolling (using the US Treasury) and effectuating (using the US Military) the PNAC decree to isolate and destroy China that has brought him into conflict with well-established and time-honored international law, and that has garnered him the dubious sobriquet of “war criminal.”

1. PNACled: Rebuilding America’s Defenses.

PNAC’s overarching focus is on the necessity of the United States to curtail and eliminate, by force if necessary, any entity posing a threat to America’s preeminence in political, economic, and military puissance. Rebuilding America’s Defenses pays special homage to China in that PNAC proposes China is the greatest threat to America in all three of these areas, and that the immediacy of the situation requires prompt and effective action – before it’s too late.

Rebuilding America’s Defenses spells out in meticulous detail exactly how to isolate China:

- Re-think our military paradigms – revamp current manpower models – adopt a policy of preemption – replace tactical and strategic military planning with asymmetric war plans –redefine missions based upon functional vice geographical planning – reduce the size of the Active Duty force while relying heavily upon “temporary” Guard/Reserve troops – enforce COT (commercial off-the-shelf) materiel recapitalization programs – exponentially increase defense spending – this isn’t your father’s world!
- Move our military bases out of Western Europe toward the southwest – to vistas like Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Jordan, Afghanistan, the Subcontinent, the former Central Asian Soviet Republics, and the Philippines (by force if necessary) – project military might and “threat of presence” around the globe.
- Augment our military presence in Japan, Korea, Australia, Thailand, and Singapore.
- Redefine laws that “interfere” with America’s international interests; abrogate those laws and treaty obligations that cannot be adapted (to include the US Constitution itself).
- Downplay the importance and the role of the United Nations.
- Play the “History is Bunk” card.
- Expand the powers of the President and rein in the “influence” of the Judiciary.

At first analysis, all of these (and others I did not mention) are seemingly typical considerations in policy planning, implementation, and sustainment; however, what the PNAC document fails to elucidate is that not one of these “reinventing” America initiatives is aimed at improving the lives of the American people or making them safer. The PNAC agenda is expressly designed to ensure the long-term survivability of the world’s America/PNAC-friendly billionaires and their international mega-corporations at the expense of poor and middle class Americans. There is not one shred of evidence that today’s China has “evil” designs on the American people. I would argue that the PNACle Club’s fear of a Sino-dominated world order is actually a gimmick meant to mask PNAC’s true stratagem from the American people – an agenda calling for the mass transfer of wealth to the likes of Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, William Kristol and the whole PNACle gang (click here for a listing of prominent Bush Administration officials and confidants wallowing in the PNAC limelight); to sap every last cent of wealth from the American people and leave them groveling for jobs, food, medical care, shelter and dignity while the rest of the world remains prepped for the slaughter in the name of American national security. A comparison of Bush’s speeches over the past 5 years and the text of Rebuilding America’s Defenses reveals direct quotes (although not referenced) and a litany of talking points common to both.

George W. Bush is the hand-selected stooge PNAC chose to ensure the efficacy of its agenda, and it is Bush’s complacency to promulgate the PNAC design for world domination that started him down the slippery slope of war crimes, namely unilaterally invading Iraq without provocation, intentionally bombing civilians, and violating the Geneva Conventions ban on torture, maltreatment of POWs, and crimes against humanity to include the use of white phosphorus and the pollution of the environment with depleted uranium. And, somewhat ironically, it is Bush’s relentless effort to conceal his crimes that divulges just how precarious his perch really is! And with election 2008 on the horizon and Bush slated to become a lame-duck come the November 2006 elections, PNAC will undoubtedly refocus on selecting a new stooge to represent its interests in Washington, and abandon the floundering GW to drown in his own cesspool.

2. Torture is Legal/Legal. Circle Only One.

In August 2002, Bush gave the CIA the green light to torture POWs. The DOJ’s Office of Legal Counsel, Dick Cheney’s legal counsel David S. Addington, and with then White House counsel Alberto R. Gonzales acting as chairman of their meetings, collaborated to conclude and advise Bush that interrogation techniques such as "waterboarding," a torture tactic used to give detainees the sensation of drowning, were perfectly legal under the Geneva Conventions, under other international laws, and under American laws expressly forbidding torture under the pain of harsh penalties. Gonzales moved ahead without soliciting military and State Department expert opinions concerning the laws of torture and war, and approved an August 2002 memo that extended to CIA interrogators the legal sanction to torture other human beings in direct contradiction of US law and US treaty obligations.

The United Nations defines torture as the “intentional infliction of severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, upon a person in the custody or under the control of the accused except that torture shall not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to, lawful sanctions” and “without prejudice to any international instrument or national legislation which does or may contain provisions of wider application.”(1) There is no doubt that now Attorney General Gonzales’ flawed interpretation of what constitutes torture defies convention, and anyone looking would be hard-pressed to wring an iota of concurrence from any serious scholar or practitioner of international law that his counsel to Bush enjoys legal sufficiency.

3. Maltreatment of POWs.

On September 6, 2006, Bush announced to the world that he ordered the transfer of 14 “high-value” POWs from secret CIA interrogation centers located outside the United States to the DoD at Guantanamo Bay. This announcement was significant in two ways: (1) Bush admitted the US held POWs in secret overseas CIA bases – a claim he vehemently denied when questioned about them previously, and (2) Bush is beginning to fear the long arm of international law and is succumbing to the realization that many of his policies and actions are, indeed, illegal, and that he, as the leader, can be held culpable as a war criminal under international jurisprudence.

It is only logical to conclude that if Bush gave two thumbs-up for the CIA to commence torturing POWs, that the CIA would have torture facilities someplace outside the US (unless you want to count Laura Bush’s Whips, Chains, and Handcuffs Room – formerly the Lincoln Bedroom – as a torture chamber). Bush’s confirmation of torture facilities has drawn harsh criticism from European lawmakers, who have renewed their demands to know the locations of the secret detention centers. Bush categorically refuses to say where the torture bases are located, although my military mind tells me most likely in Kyrgyzstan and/or Kazakhstan, and perhaps in Bulgaria. U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said there must be no "trade between the effective fight against terrorism and protection of civil liberties." Secretary Annan, in his own way, has not only thrown down the gauntlet, but has smacked Bush across his smirking mug with it; the Secretary tossed Bush’s oft quoted and more oft touted “we will not negotiate with terrorists” declaration right back at him: when you sacrifice civil rights to fight terrorism – you are, indeed, negotiating with terrorists. The fact of the matter is Bush shows little interest in protecting the rights of the nation he claims to represent; his sentiments towards protecting the rights of citizens of other nations must be altogether non-existent. Bush has demonstrated to the world he is just as much the terrorist as Osama Bin Laden; only the former has a rapidly diminishing following.

We should all be eagerly waiting with baited breath the International Red Cross report following that agency’s meetings with the 14 POWs recently released from “Bushwitz” and “Bushenwald.” I just wonder if Bush will order his CIA or FBI goons to snatch up that report before it is made public – you know – in much the same way he ordered the theft of the report Saddam Hussein sent to the UN in December 2002 concerning WMDs (and the lack thereof). Bush is worried, and his recent “requests” to the Legislature support that fact.

4. Pass Me The Laws, Please!!

On September 15, 2006, George Bush went to Capitol Hill to do a little arm-twisting. His laborsome petitions were nothing less than astonishing and probably the most uncivilized and undemocratic requests ever made before the Senate. The man who claims to be the leader of the free world; the man who pretends to bring democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan; the man who swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States (which he refers to as a “goddamn piece of paper) – George W. Bush – asked the Senate to (scroll down to JCs post THE ROAD TO PERDITION for an excellent synopsis):

- Pass laws retroactively exempting civilian employees in the CIA/FBI/DoD from criminal prosecution in the conduct of war crimes to include the President of the United States.
- Pass laws retroactively redefining the Geneva Conventions definition of torture to mean the “unjustified” use of torture.
- Pass laws to retroactively permit detention of POWs in secret concentration camps.
- Pass laws that allow prosecution of POWs with confessions and evidence obtained under torture.
- Pass laws that allow prosecution of POWs while denying them the right to hear and/or see the evidence against them.
- Pass laws retroactively granting the President of the United States the authority to, at his or her discretion, redefine the laws and bylaws of any treaty to which the United States is party.

Bush’s trip to the Capitol was simply a desperate measure made by a desperate man – a man desperate to shed the coil of his own languishing leadership; of his own impropriety; of his own intellectual levity. Senators John McCain (R-AZ), Lindsay Graham (R-SC), Olympia Snow (R-ME), and John Warner (R-VA) are on record in staunch opposition to Bush’s patently ridiculous requests, and have produced an alternative bill – a bill which prompted our has-a-lot-to-fear leader to hold a rather feisty Rose Garden press conference – where he announce he would hold America’s national security hostage if the Senate passes John Warner’s bill without his biddings intact. Former Secretary of State Colin Powell summed Bush’s despondency up like this:

“The world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism. To redefine Common Article 3 would add to those doubts. Furthermore, it would put our own troops at risk.”

You have to ask yourself this question in light of Mr. Bush’s trip to the Capitol – why? Why would he need to take leave of his senses and make such a ludicrous demand on our Senators? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that Bush’s emphasis on “retroactive” is the key word in this most reprehensible of appearances before the Senate; Bush is seeking enactment of laws that will protect him from prosecution by some international body! So we see, Bush has admitted to committing war crimes and now seeks the good counsel of the people and their representatives – the good counsel he should have solicited long ago rather than that foisted by warmongers, yes men and tunnel-visioned billionaires. Such is the lonely paranoia of despotism!

One only needs to examine Bush from the “whole person” perspective to see that America empowered its first run-of-the-mill tyrant, and we, even through the filter of our venerable democratic process join the Catholic Church, the USSR, Saddam’s Iraq, Nazi Germany, Cambodia, Imperial Japan, Red China, and a host of other nations and peoples in the shameful parade of blood-thirsty sociopaths who, like disease-bearing insects, have periodically plagued the globe.

If the Dictator Bush’s fate lies in the hands of those who prosecute war criminals, let it be so. Sic Semper Tyrannis!

Vac

TATTLER EXPOSED WITH SOCK PUPPETING

Let's start with a definition for those unaware of what AttilaTheTATTLER has been doing in the TATTLERS' issues;

Sockpuppet (sometimes known also as a mule, glove puppet, alt(alternate) account, or joke account) is an additional account created by an existing member of an Internet community pretending to be a separate person. This may be done so as to manufacture the illusion of support in a vote or argument or to act without social effect on one's "main" account. This behaviour is often seen as dishonest by online communities and as a result these individuals are often labeled as trolls.

Ahhhh yes... good ole AttilaTheTATTLER has been protecting the identity of the TATTLER by writing about herself in THIRD PERSON.. inserting Attila's emails & comments in the TATTLERS' issues as if they are SEPARATE people!! *lmaoooooooo*
(they must do deceptive stuff like that near Galveston, TX... or even in Hitchcock, TX..) who woulda thunk it? lolololol

HOW DO I KNOW IT'S ATTILLA POSTING AS THE TATTLER? READ BELOW;

We know for a FACT Attilla is posting as the TATTLER because of software used by an email that TRACED WHERE the email was OPENED; Hitchcock, TX!! Ring a bell Attilla? lol

So here's my response, along with quite a few others' responses to this newfound info; The thing is, I, and i'm guessing others, have already accused Attila of being the Tattler, and so in that sense, this is just another accusation, and people will be likely to dismiss it. Because of XXXXX's trace, we have PROOF POSITIVE that it's her. Someone sent the tattler an email, and had a program that told them where the person who opened the email was located, which was Hitchcock, TX, and I know independently from Attila's own words that she is in Hitchcock, TX. And, she has specifically denied being the Tattler, and that it is now apparent that she is the Tattler, and thus those denials were lies. That is really the essence of why sockpuppeting is such an egregious crime on the net. She is deceiving people, drawing some benefit from it, and is lying willfully to protect the deception.

The hateful, venomous fiction she writes under the guise of the TATTLER cannot be matched by anyone. She fears "naming" herself as the TATTLER because ppl online in SI would treat her like the pariah she is!! a "troll".. according to the definition of a SOCK PUPPET. Bet it gets pretty lonely under that bridge doesn't it TROLL? lollolol
Think of this definition as you read the TATTLER inserting Attilas' emails and writings in their daily issues.. it's Attila, talking about herself in third person.
Below, I have taken the time to copy & paste a bit of Attila (the TATTLER) sock puppeting in the daily issues!! check it out!!
She's writing AND answering herself!! lolololol

Mailbag:
How does one describe the possilfossil? I suppose you could start with heartless, phony, cowardly and out of touch with reality. Does he really think that he’s so important, people are ‘out to get him’? No… as he draws ever closer to his own mortality, he’s painfully aware of his triviality and is acting out in. But it’s a sad legacy he leaves in the autumn of his years,. deluding himself into thinking that it’s only the “neocons” (as if the word neocon actually means “bad people”) who find him abhorrent, when so many with opposing political views have stood up and denounced him for the wretched creature he is. Time and again in room text, on mic, and in blog posts, we’ve witnessed a bi-partisan distaste for his words and deeds. He gets it… and he knows that he’s crossed the line of politics and crossed over into the hinterland of indecency. He is considered an abomination. His little soliloquy about winding up “the neocons” was just possil trying to save face because he hasn’t the courage to say what a 5-year-old child whose balls haven’t even dropped yet would – “I was wrong and I’m sorry.”

There is a wildly hilarious side to all this though, and that’s the undeniable hypocrisy of the Brits in Social Issues. As a group, they self-righteously profess their abhorrence for intolerance, sanctimoniously disparaging Americans for their “racism and bigotry” -- while coddling and defending possil! One can only imagine the tsunami of outrage that would rise to engulf Social Issues, if anyone who didn’t just happen to bear U.K. citizenship, said the things possil did and then tried to pass them off as “taken out of context”. I have something for the British, who are historically fond of telling Americans that we don’t understand their humor, because of its biting wit: Here, bite THIS! We get it. It’s just that a gaggle of pompous, British geese aren’t very funny. Besides, you define the word disingenuous with your actions. Truly you need to go back to the drawing board if you think you’ll regain world supremacy by way of a chat program or via some silly-ass blog. Now just to show you that we Americans aren’t quite as dumb as you think, how’s this for irony: You Brits, who continue to excuse and defend possil’s monstrous statements are in bed, bumping uglies with none other than isabellah. Now that is truly a classic example of British humor! (This might just bring back an old fashion trend – the codpiece!) LMAO

To possil: You foolishly bragged that you wind me up and I’m your little monkey on a string. As always, you’re wrong. Yes, you sicken me and a lot of others, but that’s as far as it goes. Truth is, you’re a pathetic old man, far too impotent in intellect to wind anyone up anymore. You’re nothing but old news, desperately clinging to your 15 minutes of fame. For the most part, you’re now shunned in rooms where decent, intelligent people gather to share camaraderie. It’s you who are the monkey running around from blog to blog, and room to room. You have been reduced to the role of room toy. You are seen dancing to the tune of those who see through you and know you for what you are. Each time you put your fingers on the keyboard or open your mouth, another layer of your degraded humanity is peeled away, thus revealing the putrescence of your soul. I don’t need to lift a finger or say a word. You continue to dig your own grave and in your arrogance, play into the hands of those who refuse to excuse your wickedness. It is your puppet master, Envy, who tied you fast to the strings of hatred, ignorance, cowardice, depravity, fear and bigotry. And there you dangle. Dance, little monkey…dance.

Attila the Hen

The Tattler:
Possil will be " astounded"

This is only ONE example.. but the examples of her sock puppeting are DAILY!! LOL

Now, let's move on to even MORE hypocrisy of AttilaTheTATTLER, shall we?

Below you will see a plea to the readers that the TATTLER doesn't ever refer to CHILDREN, nor does she ALLOW it in her DAILY issues. I will post her latest plea below, and follow it by her blatant hypocrisy in earlier writings (saint my ass lololol... saint LIAR is more like it lolol)

PossilFossil, who shouted like a screaming banshee foul play, when AttilaTheHun sent an email referencing his children, was the first to write in defense of Andrea. Amazing, just fucking amazing. Andrea alluded to her innocence on microphone " How does The Tattler know I was at my keyboard?" I know, because I was there and saw you texting. Now you may very well have a typing cat, but baring that, you were in the room and listening and at the keyboard

ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF SHEER HYPOCRISY ATTILLA FEEDS ON;

No, you didn't imagine what the Tattler said, but I'll go you one, maybe two better. Here is PRECISELY what I wrote:

"I agree with some that yes, he's a lonely old man whose children obviously pay him no mind, but does that excuse his malignant hatred? Not to me, sorry. My mind is snapped shut to hatred and selfishness. Maybe it's exactly that hatred,and selfishness that's driven his children away -- the same way he's driving people away in Social Issues. Or perhaps after a lifetime of teaching his children to strive for mediocrity under the glorious banner of Socialism as he did, and falling short even of that, he turned into the pathetic cloud of misery we see today -- and misery loves company."
Also within 48 hours, the Tattler, him or herself wrote:
"Isabellah of Social Issues married to someone who can't make a sammich, fled to chat programs..."

So, those who are without sin, please cast the first stone. Hypocrites first... of course.

Attila the Hen

ANOTHER EXAMPLE;

We also barred Attila's emails from being published for some time after the Possil innocent...

yet.... the TATTLER didn't mind publishing emails about a user NOT BEING ABLE TO BEAR CHILDREN!! Right? Thats' ok right?.. let's just print an issue DAY AFTER DAY about the user's INABILITY TO HAVE KIDS OF THEIR OWN... fuck off attila, you lose.. caught by your very own words you lying bastard... who the fuck do you think you are picking and choosing WHOSE KIDS are off limits online? and IN THE TATTLER?? fuck off
Below is ANOTHER EXAMPLE of your lies about "protecting children" in your blog you lying, dried up, nasty, deceitful bitch... READ BELOW AND WEEP.. YOU SAY IT, YOU OWN IT bitch;

From the Hen House.

Those of you willing to allow nuty to now play the innocent victim because she is childless and I was mean enough to allude to her barren state, please be advised if you’re unaware, or if you forgot, please remember that she has pulled out and played that particular dog-eared and worn card so much that it’s time for a new deck. Childlessness is her pity amulet and she rubs it when the need arises induce sympathy – and usually because she’s been behaving badly and crossed over the line. While there WAS a time that I, too was sensitive to her desire for children, I now hold the following opinions, and offer these observations:

There are worse tragedies in life than childlessness. For those who desire children but are unable to conceive or carry to term, it can be disappointing, but there are options available for those like nuty with money to burn (or so she says). But even if one makes the decision to remain childless and not exercise existing choices for whatever reason, it’s their business and certainly none of mine. However, I reiterate: being childless is NOT the greatest misfortune or heartbreak that can befall a human being.
Thank you,
Attila (the Hen)

Shame on ya Attilla... shame on you
Your hands are FILTHY with the dirt you type. You are now officially; THE PALTALK SOCKPUPPET TROLL
So TATTLER? AKA; AttilaTheHag? if you think for 5 seconds that your comments on children are "off limits," tell me why you allowed Attilas' email disparaging nuttys' INABILITY to have children of her own? I'll tell you WHY, because you think you are above reproach and YOU used the sock puppet method to get by with it!! WHAT A DISGRACEFUL LIAR YOU ARE !!!

Here's to you AttilaTheTATTLER you fucking, lying, whorebag!!

waiting & watching~~
~~issa (ThePowerfulKeeperOfBlogPosts)

THIS IS DEDICATED TO PALTALK'S PREMIER SOCKPUPPETEER

isabellah-1, who has been a valuable addition to The Rattler, (both because of her writing and because of the ravening horde of sputtering harpies she has lured to the blog) is about to drop a bombshell of a post, a revelation about the nearly unfathomable dishonesty and calculated deception of a prominent member of Paltalk SI. I am not exaggerating when I tell you that this person is guilty of one of the most unpardonable sins a member of an online community can commit. On a seemingly unrelated yet possibly eerily relevant note, I present to you the 3 part mini-epic, Sockbaby.



In case you were wondering, the fact that this was about a SOCKPUPPET is completely irrelevant.

JC

THE ROAD TO PERDITION

Watch. Discuss. I'll make a prediction. People who care about liberty and the rule of law will be chilled to the marrow and filled with fiery anger. Right Wing Authoritarians, to their shame, will simply not care.

JC

UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!

This is just unbelievable. The IRS is suddenly ramping up its investigation of whether All Saints Episcopal Church in Pasadena violated its tax-exempt status with an anti-war sermon just before the 2004 elections.

On Friday an IRS investigator served a summons on the current rector, Rev. Ed Bacon, ordering the church to turn over all documents and e-mails it produced during the 2004 election year that referred to political candidates:

After nearly a year without communication with the agency, Bacon said he was "quite surprised" Friday when an IRS agent handed him the summons at his church.

In addition to seeking electronic communications, the summons requests "a copy of all oral communications identifying candidates for public office delivered at All Saints Church or at events sponsored by All Saints Church between Jan. 1, 2004, and Nov. 2, 2004."

The summons also asks for various financial records.

The church has until September 29 to produce the documents, and Bacon has been summoned to testify on October 11. For frame of reference, Election Day is November 7.

So the IRS holds its fire in an investigation of allegedly improper political activites just before the 2004 elections until just before the 2006 elections. How about an investigation of that?

~~~~~Forever A Facetious Pain~~~~~
~~~~~Sweetest Smiles~~~~~


thanks go out to "Talking Points Memo"

UPDATE ON DUCKETT

Ok I have found more info about Trenton and I am sharing it here. Seems that some think or heard that Melinda threatened to kill her son if her estranged husband didn't comply wih some of her demands, but I have found this info at the National Voice for Children, please read.

The 2-year-old was taken from his bedroom Sunday night while his mother watched a movie with friends in the next room, police said. Investigators later found the screen on the boy's bedroom window ripped, Leesburg Capt. Steve Rockefeller said.

Gripping one of Trenton's stuffed animals, Duckett held back tears as she described her son as a friendly, well-behaved and intelligent boy to reporters gathered at the Leesburg Police Department.

She said she has been fighting for custody of the child with her estranged husband, Joshua Duckett. She filed for divorce in June and said their relationship has always been rocky. Last month, a judge granted Duckett a temporary restraining order against Joshua Duckett, 21, after he threatened to kill her and Trenton, according to court records.

Joshua Duckett is the son of James Duckett, the former Mascotte police officer who is on death row for raping, strangling and drowning an 11-year-old girl in 1987.

Now here is some info the mass media; including Nancy DisGrace, has NOT 'shared' with the public.

Eyewitness News has learned a Florida Highway Patrol lieutenant is under investigation after he called off a chase that may have been related to the Amber Alert for missing toddler Trenton Duckett.

One trooper thought a child in the car matched Duckett's description.

In the FHP incident report, the trooper involved in the pursuit said he had every reason to want to pull the car over and no reason to let him go.

The report says the driver fled after being pulled over. The trooper writes that he saw the driver force a small child to the floorboards as he pulled away. The trooper notes that the tan car, with no plates, matched the description of a car wanted in connection with a murder in Saint Johns County.


What's more, the trooper believes the child fit the description of 2-year-old Trenton Duckett, a child recently abducted in Lake County. There is an Amber Alert out for Duckett and a be-on-the-lookout (BOLO) alert for the car.

"If the BOLO was put out for a crime that was a forcible felony, we would be able to continue our pursuit by our policy," said Trooper Kim Miller, Florida Highway Patrol.

Murder and kidnapping are considered forcible felonies and justify pursuit according to FHP policy, but the trooper said his supervisor told him to let the car go.

"We are looking to see if the trooper should have been able to continue the pursuit by our policy," Miller said.

In the report, the trooper makes his case to stay on the car, but his supervisor, Lt. Kevin Vaughn, is quoted as saying, "It is not against the law to have kids in the car."

The trooper broke off pursuit and the car, suspect and child were gone.

As a result, Lt. Vaughn is under investigation and FHP hopes the 2-year-old's possible kidnapper was not let go for no reason.

"We don't know if we can go into the what-ifs. For a trooper, that's definitely weighing on their mind," Miller said.

The investigation into the decision not to pursue the suspect car was still ongoing Friday.

Hmmmm... this certainly creates the room for doubt that Melinda murdered her own son. This also gets me wondering what in the hell was Nancy up to, she left out important info and spinned other info. I don't see how anyone can think Nancy Grace gives a shit about anyone or anything, but herself and the her TV ratings. Take a look for yourself how DisGrace believes the system should run.

Here is what Nancy Grace has to say about the presumption of innocence (with numbers added by me to try to trace the steps in her logic):

(1) “See no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil” while hiding behind the presumption of innocence and political correctness is something I'm not willing to do… (2) Contrary to what some of my critics have said… I firmly believe in “innocent until proven guilty.” But that is not the end of the judge's charge. (3) An accused is presumed innocent “unless and until that presumption is overcome by evidence of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.” That is the law. If we choose to ignore the law, victims have no recourse, no hope

~~~~~Forever A Facetious Pain~~~~~
~~~~~Sweet Smiles~~~~~

NANCY GRACE.... DID SHE GO TOO FAR?

It’s too easy to blame Nancy Grace for the suicide of Melinda Duckett. Nancy didn’t kill her. But Ms. Duckett’s death was an assisted suicide, and although Nancy will not own up to it, her aggressive, irresponsible grilling of a clearly unstable woman played a role in this sickening drama. The death of a guest on a news talk show was inevitable, just as surely as it happened on “Jenny Jones” before. I hope CNN will take this opportunity to examine “The Nancy Grace Show” and its role in journalism. It could be something it is not: a thoughtful examination of meaningful legal issues. Instead, a woman is dead, her missing child still missing, and the media takes another hit for ruining a life in the name of ratings.

There is a delusion on Nancy’s show that the ends justify the means. Melinda Duckett was not prepared for what lay ahead. She got a world-class cross examination without the benefit of counsel. She was jumped. It’s true, she knew she was going on TV. But how many people in the midst of a crime - whether they perpetrated it or not - are in their right mind for a grilling on international television? Melinda Duckett didn’t kill herself because of that interview. But surely it was, if not the last straw, a straw high on the haystack.

Nancy protests that “Melinda committed suicide before that interview ever aired. It had never gone to air.” A straw man argument if ever there was one. Melinda killed herself just hours before the show aired on Friday, September 8th. She knew it was coming, and she knew she was about to look like a fool in front of a worldwide audience. For anyone, that’s a lot to handle.

I can hear the Nancy supporters cry now: “Melinda did it! She obviously killed the son! She was in the middle of a messy divorce and didn’t sound truthful!” I have no sympathy for child killers. None. But it doesn’t matter. Any lawyer will advise you against doing or saying anything that could give a whiff of self-incrimination. Look at the ceaseless attacks on the Ramseys. And even if “Melinda did it,” that’s for a court to determine, and not TV news. Nancy Grace considers herself the judge and the jury. She brings on psychiatrists and “experts” to back up her opinion. Where were Melinda’s experts for the defense?

The irresponsible use of her pulpit is staggering. Nancy’s obsession with “Did you take a polygraph? Why won’t you take a polygraph?” is a populist absurdity. A polygraph test is banned in some jurisdictions, is only admissible at the discretion of the judge in others, and has long been proven to be unreliable especially in times of stress. It is only definitive in Nancy’s kangaroo court.

The devotion of prime time space to the search for missing children is admirable. I love that CNN has dedicated time to that. But I also have a suspicion the motives are not wholly selfless. If Nancy’s show were not a ratings-grabber, the dedication to missing children would move on. If my child were missing, I would do everything I could to get a second of air time on any outlet that would have me. I just wouldn’t go on with Nancy Grace.

On Monday, September 11th, she gave most of her show to the Duckett case again. Did Nancy do the right thing by saying “We feel terrible about what happened, and we send our sympathy to the Duckett family at this time of still another tragedy”? Nope. About midway through she begged off any responsibility for Melinda Duckett’s death: “I do not feel that our show is to blame for what happened to Melinda Duckett. The truth.. is not always nice or polite or easy to go down. Sometimes it`s harsh, and it hurts.”

The truth is that this show could be a great forum for discussing the legal ideas of the day. Instead it is a tabloid show that disguises its mission in self-righteousness.

~~~~~Forever A Facetious Pain~~~~~
~~~~~Sweet Smile~~~~~

YOU SAID IT, I READ IT AND LAUGHED MY ASS OFF!

Well, another troll has sneaked in this 1st rate blog by the name of "I said it, you read it". Boy, his comments makes attila the chicken shit's look like they are nobel peace prize worthy. Hey, numbnuts...this is a blog, not the fucking newspaper or CNN. We poke fun at the straightlaced fuckwads who think pal talk is their own soapbox by trying to be a 4th rate Rush Limbaugh. I wasn't hired to enlighten you with pearls of wisdom (I leave that to those better qualified than I), I was brought here to provide a tickle in the funny bones for friends and enemies. I have the license to do what I want, when I want and no one save God himself will stop me. So, sit back, relax and enjoy the ride because it gets bumpier from here.

It has come to my attention that the idiot who writes on the tattler is writing while under the influnce of prozac, so, having found that out I am no longer reading her/his/its blog for fear of losing my own sanity. I see chickenshit has gotten it to be that my comments are still not allowed on converstink. That's ok, I can tell her to FUCK OFF here anytime I want, so please attila, cancel your ISP, sell your computer and please leave us normal people in cyberspace alone and stop subjecting us to your mindless rehashing of old bullshit that was proven wrong years ago. Besides, its better to be caught in a lie about a blowjob than a lie about why we are in this stupid war. So there!

And on a personal note to the fucking jackass who has a blog called "social issues photographer"..I saw what you did and I didn't see the humor in it so leave my fucking family out of this or you're next on the list.

ISTANBUL, NOT THE OTHER ONE

konstantine Tsiolkovsky: Clause, the only knowledge you have is the slide of hand

This is great stuff. Really, it seems like the quality of idiocy, the thickness of the boned head, the lardiness of the dumbassitude of the average Paltalk conservative is growing faster than Dick Cheney's nose. And I swear, I have told this halfwit konstantine at least three separate and individuated times that the expression is "sleight of hand," not "slide of hand." Is it important enough to worry about? Let's just say that if someone cannot learn after three lessons that they are incorrect about something, there is not much hope that the increasingly apparent mistakes, fabrications, and fallacious smears from the Republicans are going to be effectively processed by konstantine's dessicated cerebral cortex.

It has become my habit when vetting conservatives to use the question, "Do you accept evolution?" as my own personal triage. If a conservative has enough knowledge and sense to at the very least acnowledge and understand evolution by natural selection, then there may be some basis for dialogue. If instead they respond with tragically misdirected derision, and begin spewing about faulty carbon dating and "no transitional fossils lolzer!!!1oneone1!," then it seems best to end transmission at that point. konstantine, to his credit, had at least heard of evolution before. Unfortunately, it seemed that the only way a basic high school biology lesson was likely to penetrate his skull was if I wrapped it around a bullet and fired it in. I am constantly impressed with how immensely ignorant people can be.

By far the most fantastic piece of imbecility konstantine expressed was on the subject of Saddam and WMDs. We know now, of course, that there were no stockpiles of WMD in Iraq, and that Saddam did not have any programs to create any. konstantine has apparently missed the last few memos, and has been snoring through the board meetings, becase he announced to the room that "we" had not been watching Saddam for 12 years. That's nonsense, I told him, inspectors were in country from 1991-1998, and had certified that his WMDs were almost completely destroyed. You know, except for the ones Clinton bombed. In Operation Desert Fox. When Republicans squealed, "NO WAR FOR MONICA." You know, the Republicans who were super sober serious about the terrorist threat. Yeah, those knuckleheads. So now, with his rhetorical expeditionary force shelled to smoking embers, konstantine swerves his argument off the road. "Liberals get too focused on WMDs, but that's not what Iraq was about." Ah, to be a conservative. They have life so easy. First he can tell us he was right and we were wrong on WMD. When he loses that argument, he just decides arbitrarily that what he was just arguing about isn't even important anymore, and if liberals don't stop being mean he's gonna take his ball and bat and go home, so there!

And we're supposed to take these sniveling conservatives seriously? Why is it they get to play by these Calvinball rules, and liberals are stuck having to do boring things like gather evidence and deploy logic. It's so much easier when you get to make it up as you go along.

JC