PRISONS VERSUS WORK

IN PRISON..you spend the majority of your time in an 8X10 cell.
AT WORK... you spend the majority of your time in a 6X6 cubicle.

IN PRISON... you get three meals a day.
AT WORK... you only get a break for one meal if you're lucky and you pay for it.

IN PRISON... you get time off for good behavior.
AT WORK... you get more work for good behavior.

IN PRISON... the guard locks and unlocks all the doors for you.
AT WORK... you must carry around a security card and open all the doors for yourself.

IN PRISON... you can watch TV and play games.
AT WORK... you get fired for watching TV and playing games.

IN PRISON... you get your own toilet.
AT WORK... you have to share with some idiot who pees on the seat.

IN PRISON... they allow your family and friends to visit.
AT WORK... you're not supposed to even speak to your family.

IN PRISON... the taxpayers pay all expenses with no work required.
AT WORK.. you get to pay all the expenses to go to work and then they deduct taxes from your salary to pay for prisoners.

IN PRISON... you spend most of your life inside bars wanting to get out.
AT WORK... you spend most of your time wanting to get out and go inside bars

What can I say, I just finished reading about San Pedro prison, the biggest in Bolivia's main city, La Paz, is home to about 1,500 inmates. YOu can find out more here

Plus I figured we all can use a little humor, which this is totally meant to be. :o)

~~~~~Have a Great Day at WORK!!!~~~~~
~~~~~Forever A Facetious Pain~~~~~
~~~~~Sweet Smile~~~~~

LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE

I allowed MP to make remarks on mic in the room? Ok Livid another lie you are caught in. When it was bought to your attention of MP saying those things, it was other chatters that called you into a private room to tell you they had received those types of pm, NOT that it was in the room. I still have that pm of yours and where I tell you the red dot was not going to be removed. In fact let me post it for you,I don't blame you for being confused, I know the memory is the first to go.
Livid: let's see.. that's about the 7th time you said i dotted for a PM.
Livid: i don't care what you asked or who you asked..
Mystic Sea Maiden: you told me and i am copy & paste:
Mystic Sea Maiden: Livid: If I red dot someone for a TOS violation, and I tell them in the room text it will be for 5 minutes, and they then PM me, and abuse me even though I've explained the violation to them, and even then they continue it even more, I will tell them they are dotted for the day
Mystic Sea Maiden: you told me you dotted him for day for pm he sent you
Livid: and that's BS anyway.. you can ask a question in a way that gets the right answer.. i do that for a living..
Livid: ystic Sea Maiden: ok now wih admin room are you done as admin?
Mystic Sea Maiden: i would hate to lose you but i do undersand you have so much on your mind
Mystic Sea Maiden just sent you a nudge!
Mystic Sea Maiden: livid told you i am not playing thsi gane you threaten to leave as admin anytime i disagree with you
Mystic Sea Maiden: not going to do it
Livid: i'm not threatening.. i simple told you i do not wish to hat under these circumstances..
Livid: look.. you came online.. immediately changed the decision JC and i had to make in your absense yesterday.. then you changed the dot decision, and you proceeded to make me WELL aware that you are going to run the room even though i've been doing it almost by myself for the past 3 weeks.. tell me dreama??? exactly what is hard for you to understand about any of this???
Mystic Sea Maiden: wait one fucking min
Livid: meanwhile, i simple said, ok.. it's your room..
Livid: do as you wish..
Mystic Sea Maiden: i didnt say red dot couldnt be on MP
Mystic Sea Maiden: so you are wrong tehre
Mystic Sea Maiden: and i talked to JC yesterday about it
Mystic Sea Maiden: and aoril
Livid: no i'm not wrong because there's more to it than you have any idea about..
Mystic Sea Maiden: you are wrong being a brat to me
Mystic Sea Maiden: about teh damn room can we call a temp truce for the day
Livid: and april wasn't in on any of it.. and JC was in on the last of it..
Livid: look... april, jc, MP, mothers, the TOS.. none of that is the issue..
Livid: i was backed into a wall by several women.. all who DEMANDED we ban MP...
Livid: never mind.. you're not going to listen.. and that's not the issue anyway..
Mystic Sea Maiden: i talked to JC too about it
Livid: forget april.. forget JC.. they aren't the issue.
Livid: if you want to discuss the problem here, i'm all for it..
Mystic Sea Maiden: real issue is I hate you threaten me with admining whenever i disagree with you
Livid: none of that is the issue..
Livid: <<(07/31/06 10:57 PM EDT)>> Mystic Sea Maiden: heres I ask karl if you would like to continue admining since you said you were no longer going to admin
Mystic Sea Maiden: i asked you several times
Mystic Sea Maiden: you said you would not be admining
Mystic Sea Maiden: and you got your room you will have open
Livid: so why, if you're the one who told him i was leaving (which btw in my book was very sneaky) did you accuse me of talking to him myself?
Mystic Sea Maiden: you will do your best to make sure room fails
Mystic Sea Maiden: gotten too many wanings from too many peo;plle
Mystic Sea Maiden: so hey I hope they are wrong
Livid: this isn't a warning..
Mystic Sea Maiden: but if not no biggie
Mystic Sea Maiden: but if i am wrong i apology


Now in this pm I think one can see that I neither lied nor allowed MP to say rude things in the room. Get this Ladies and gentlemen, I was not even on paltalk for a couple of days when this accorded. Not only that, but JC (who was also an admin of Banned) was present when some chatters brought to Livid's attention of pm they said they received from MP. Livid and JC were pulled into a private room, and then April (who also was an admin) by these chatters that said they received horrid pm from MP. NOT that is was ever done in the room. Those horrid remarks that MP was to make, were made to certain chatters in PM. Then the chatters pulled Livid and then JC followed by April into a private room to request that MP be banned from Banned. The agreement was made by Livid and JC to put a perm red dot on MP. I simply asked Livid; when I got back to paltalk what had happened. He got very upset when I had some questions, like did you see the pm or was it only in pm and did these chatters report this to a paltalk red admin. I have made part of the pm red so show you these. Now let's not forget that JC was adminning in the room too at this time, NEVER did MP say those remark in the room, not on mic nor text.
So here is yet, another lie of Livid's that he has gotten caught in. See not only this time I have the pm, there were other people present at the time this incident occurred. Also Livid leads one to believe I was in room or even on pal when this happened, well there are people that know I was not in room and know it was never done on room. Plus....I still have the VM from Livid when he called to tell me about the incident with MP. So here we got him in two lies with more proof than just pm's.

On to the remarks made about me asking Karl if you would remain an admin if Livid was no longer an admin was done for two reasons.
1> Livid had already quit the room and as you can see in the pm's, he quit NOT because of Jay and Virginia, as he first said. Nor did he quit due to MP, for one can see in the pm that never once did I say the red dot was going to be removed from MP. He left due to his ego and the fact that I would not keep a red dot on a person for sending an admin a nasty pm.
2> I ask Karl along with three other admins if they would continue admining if Livid wasn't an admin, the reasons I asked them is simple, there were four people that Livid asked to admin and Karl was one of them. Now since they accepted a hat from Livid, I didn't want them to feel obligated to me simply because I was the room owner. I also did not want them to worry I might be upset if they didn't want to admin any longer, to let them know I completely understand and no hard feelings ever and to let them know I was more than grateful if they choose to stay.

Why did I ask Livid if he talked to Karl, I think that is an easy one to figure out as Livid's true colors begin to shine through. What he did leave out in that pm if you look is this

Mystic Sea Maiden: you will do your best to make sure room fails
Mystic Sea Maiden: gotten too many wanings from too many peo;plle
Mystic Sea Maiden: so hey I hope they are wrong
Livid: this isn't a warning..
Mystic Sea Maiden: but if not no biggie
Mystic Sea Maiden: but if i am wrong i apology

So now we have; just in Livid's last post, 3 lies.
1>He admitted he didn't quit due to Jay & Virginia, as he has previously said.
2> He lied and said MP made those remarks in the room
3>He lied and said he quit due to MP incident, but as you can see in this pm, Livid quit due to a nasty pm he received from a chatter and me not agreeing with keeping a red dot on a chatter for the day or perm due to that reason.
Oh wait there are more lies in his last posting, he said that I admitted to lying, but I don't see where I lied, do you? Did anyone else noticed that Livid said: Livid: look... april, jc, MP, mothers, the TOS.. none of that is the issue.. so he is admitting his real problem isn't MP, wonder what it could have been?


Now I really hate this type of bullshit and my apologies to everyone this offends, but I really truly did try to let this go, Livid continued his attack and then he bought up my son and threaten me with a stupid lawsuit or who knows what else he was implying when he told me to stay out of his way(it was veiled) Then he tops it off by attacking friends of mine and April is not the only one Livid has tried to bully.

Livid this can stop now, it is up to you. Know that I'm not going to back down this time, I will defend myself and my friends, I can't allow my friends to be attacked, it just isn't right.

REFLECTIONS OF THE CHANGING TIDE

Just a quick note to everyone that ZM is alive and is planning one of the greatest posts ever on this blog. However I got sidetracked by lack of material, writers block and now due to attila the chickenshit sending me a nude picture of herself (which I forwarded to Livid) made me blind for the next two weeks. Trust me, I barely made it out alive after seeing that. I should have known better that to open an email from an address that said neoconwhore@royallyfuckedinthehead.net. Over at the consternut tank, I see some long winded posts filled with nothing but lies and rewords to prove that they are right, But I see Jesus took them to task already.

Quick note to Livid- the next time you puke on my $5000 rug, my wife said she is going to use your head to clean it and next time you drink all my booze, please replace it with borbon and not water. Thank you, sir!

As labor day draws near, I find myself waxing sentimental over a great summer and what approaches my favorite holiday: HALLOWEEN. Also, I start the day shift at my job very soon (8 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. for all those who watch Fox News), dont worry, I'm not going to melt because only vampires melt in the sun, zombies shuffle 24 hours a day.

Also, I look forward to helping NY become the first all democratic state in our union by VOTING an all dem ticket come november. I urge all my fellow NYers to join me because the repuke bush bed buddy we got now, put us in a hole and the only that can help us out is a dem. Dick Cheney, STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MY CITY, YOU JACKASS!

That's all for now.
ZM

SEEDS ARE SOWN, AND FROM THIS WE REAP!

Since Mystic (Muse) has seen fit to select a bit of PM with me in her blog entry here, perhaps folks would like to see the entire story behind my choice to turn in my hat in "Banned from 2Way". This PM, good people, is the genesis of April's hatred for me. Mystic has fueled April's "difficulties" and dislike of men simply because she is angry I turned in my hat on principle.

Until now, and even in my last blog entry, I protected her privacy, but she's changed that now. I didn't open my room for good until I knew that Mystic had made a behind the scenes arrangement to provide Virginia and Jay with hats. I wasn't alone in my horror at that. As most of you recall, every admin in the meeting Mystic had to dampen the anger was against it.

In short, I "quit my hat" because I didn't like the way Mystic allowed MagnumPotent to say "cruel, sexually explicit and physically threatening" things to women from the mic. In addition to that, I disagreed with her about admin having to put up with horrible abuse from some of the assholes who came to the room. The admin in Mystic's room were wonderful, and they did a very tough job for FREE! There is no reason on God's green Earth that they should have been subjected to mistreatment by room raiders and those who would heap cruel abuse on them in the room or in PM.

Both of these reasons were based on what I believe was (and is) sensitivity to visitors to the room and the very real feelings of the admin who were giving of their time and efforts. This PM took place just after Mystic had informed me she was overturning my decision to dot MagnumPotent, and my policy of support for admin who red dot room raiders and other vermin who abuse them in PM. Following is the PM between Mystic and me, and not just a "selected" bit as she did in her blog entry, but all of the words spoken.

Mystic Sea Maiden: life is way too fucking shirt
Livid: fine.. i'm not arguing...
Mystic Sea Maiden: yes you are
Mystic Sea Maiden: you are refusing to see you might have over reacted
Mystic Sea Maiden: as everyone of us have at one time or another
Livid: no i'm not.. i'm placing my beliefs in text.. that's all i'm doing.
Livid: no.. i didn't overreact.. i'm not "refusing" to see that.. any more than you "think" you're refusing to hear me.
Livid: ..shrugs..
Mystic Sea Maiden: well karl is leaving with you
Mystic Sea Maiden: anyone else i need to find out if they are leaving?
Livid: let me try this dreama..
Mystic Sea Maiden: got to give it to you you are fast
Livid: i haven't talked to anyone dreama.
Livid: anything else you want to accuse me of?
Mystic Sea Maiden: yes you are a sneaky one
Mystic Sea Maiden: you always do this when i dont feel well
Livid: you're amazing...
Livid: hey.. i'm not the one who came online not feeling well, and like a bull in a china shop dictated what HAS to happen even though the room has run smoothly and more successfully than you could possibly imagine..
Livid: and i'll be damned if i'll take this fucking shit about me being sneaky... or talking to karl or anyone else.. fuck that..
Livid: that's dispicable.. after all this time.. never EVER doing anything but be honest with you... and with EVERYONE else...
Livid: and you've seen that again and again... and you HAVE THE NERVE TO ACCUSE ME OF WHAT YOU JUST DID??????
Livid: I HAVEN'T TALKED TO ANYONE AT ALL SINCE WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION.. AND THAT MEANS IF KARL KNOWS SOMETHING ABOUT IT, YOU TOLD HIM.. SO WHO'S SNEAKY??
Livid: Mystic Sea Maiden: well karl is leaving with you
Mystic Sea Maiden: anyone else i need to find out if they are leaving?Mystic Sea Maiden: got to give it to you you are fast
Livid: Very nice dreama.. very nice indeed...
Livid: lovely.. truly..
Livid: Why would Karl say he's leaving since I didn't talk to him dreama??
Livid: hmmmm?
Mystic Sea Maiden: calling me a lair?
Mystic Sea Maiden: hmmmm
Livid: no.. i'd just like to know how karl would have any idea i'm leaving?
Mystic Sea Maiden: KARL d-Az: I am admining at his request. I am troubled by working with Moderate Conservative, so if Livid is leaving, I would need to know why
Livid: so you told him i was leaving?
Livid: why would he say, "if livid is leaving"??
Livid: ??
Livid: please be honest..i expect at least that..
Livid: Mystic Sea Maiden: KARL d-Az: I am admining at his request. I am troubled by working with Moderate Conservative, so if Livid is leaving, I would need to know why
Livid: so you told him i was leaving?
Livid: why would he say, "if livid is leaving"??
Livid: ??
Livid: please be honest..i expect at least that..
Livid: forget it.. it won't work anyway...
Mystic Sea Maiden: wait
Mystic Sea Maiden: you fucking know i am haviong troub;e with pal
Mystic Sea Maiden: ok
Livid: you have an issue with me because you feel "falsely" that i'm taking the room..
Livid: and you have for some time.. even though it's not true...
Mystic Sea Maiden: heres I ask karl if you would like to continue admining since you said you were no longer going to admin
Livid: nothing i can do about that and still maintain my own principles..
Mystic Sea Maiden: why?
Mystic Sea Maiden: i asked you several times
Mystic Sea Maiden: you said you would not be admining
Mystic Sea Maiden: and you got your room you will have open

So here we finally see Mystic admit she lied. It wasn't me who spoke behind her back, but just the opposite. After accusing me of telling an admin I was turning in my hat in "Banned", we discover it was her talking to the admin(s) and telling them I was leaving. It wasn't the first deception I'd experienced, and it certainly wasn't the last. Mystic's decisions thoroughly trashed her own room. The final straw was when she plotted with Virginia and Jay behind everyone's backs, choosing to hand hats to people she knew very well were hated in the room because of their lies and deceit, something I (and everyone else) believed from the very beginning would ruin the room. We were right, because it did.

Livid: so why, if you're the one who told him i was leaving (which btw in my book was very sneaky) did you accuse me of talking to him myself?
Livid: huh?
Mystic Sea Maiden: you know why
Mystic Sea Maiden: dont you
Livid: i didn't talk to anyone about this, but you apparently made a point of PMing the admin... so who's doing things behind whose back??
Livid: not me..
Livid: yes.. i know why.. it's apparently because you don't trust me.. and i can't have that... you either do or you don't.. and i've NEVER done or said anything that demonstrates anything other than the truth and loyalty to you.
Livid: Mystic Sea Maiden: heres I ask karl if you would like to continue admining since you said you were no longer going to admin
Livid: i didn't talk to anyone about this, but you apparently made a point of PMing the admin... so who's doing things behind whose back??
Livid: In fact, I was banned from two rooms because of my loyalty to your room, i worked twice the hours everyone else has put together, and i understand you're sick, and i'm very sorry about that, in fact concerned that you don't take care of yourself, and that may well be a lot of the reason for what I see as paranoia right now.
Livid: But you never had a friend more loyal and true than me. If you have an issue of pride or ego or whatever it might be about me running the room in your absence, that's not on me sweetheart, it's on you. Yes, there is NO question I have pride about what I believe I've brought to the room, and my part in it's success. I know I've been extremely instrumental in the room doing as well as it has. I've done it before in a much larger chat room, typically 6 times the size of this.
Livid: So yes, I'm proud of it, but I KNOW it's not my room. However, for the past few weeks I've run it pretty much by myself, making all the decisions as they became necessary to make, and have received nothing but support from everyone i encounter.
Livid: When JC is there, he's a huge help, and a terrific admin, and his decisions are always right, and when he's there I can rely on the fact there is someone else there who can and does make solid decisions and neither of us ever question one another's choices except to discuss the nuances of them for future use.
Livid: When he's there, I simply don't worry, because I know he can run the room without missing a beat.
Livid: But as you noted, he's not there a lot, and especially lately, so that leaves me Dreama. I'm the one everyone looks to for answers, for support, for justice, and i'm the one who has to decide on the spot at the very moment something happens, because it can't wait for someone else to come online hours or perhaps a day or days later. I know that's not your fault, but it's the fact.
Livid: So yes, I feel the room has been my responsibilty ever since you asked for my help. I didn't make the decision to take a hat lightly. You may recall I hesitated for a long time before I committed, but I committed because of the concept of the room, and because of you.
Mystic Sea Maiden: now agian i ask do you want to admin in room and will you not red dot due to A> nasty pm and B> cuase others ask you to?
Livid: what? what the hell is B?
Livid: cuz others ask me to? what's that about?
Livid: n/m... it's not important...
Mystic Sea Maiden: you had a meeting did you not about having someone red dotted due to others wanting him to be red dot or am i mistaken and misunderstood it
Livid: No honey.. I can't admin the room the way i've been doing without either you or JC around and not be able to make my own decisions..
Livid: yes, you're mistaken..
Livid: i didn't call the meeting.. i didn't want the meeting..
Mystic Sea Maiden: hmmm MP didnt break tos in our room
Mystic Sea Maiden: yet he is red dotted right?
Mystic Sea Maiden: you should have told them you would talk to me
Livid: and it was because they wanted him BANNED, not dotted.. and I dotted him for TOS.
Mystic Sea Maiden: i know these people livid for 5 yrs
Mystic Sea Maiden: you dont
Livid: he DID break TOS.
Mystic Sea Maiden: ty Di Von
Mystic Sea Maiden: oppps
Livid: on OUR mic...
Livid: He talked on mic about doing sexual things to women who were in the room.. and he talked about them having sex while on mic in the room... YOUR ROOM.

There isn't a person who is even reasonably familiar with the social issues section of PalTalk who doesn't know MagnumPotent attacks women from the mic in the chatrooms. We've all heard his descriptions of rape and molestation, his horribly graphic vocal images of the abuse and attack of women, not to mention his regard for them as slaves. In an earlier PM, I'd already told Mystic he had done the same thing in her room, and that after I dotted him for it, I had been pulled into a private room and literally harangued for an hour by several angry women who had just witnessed his offensive behavior in Mystic's room, and wanted me to "ban" him. Their request was very reasonable, and frankly, the least any chatroom can do for its visitors, to spare them the disgust and hatred and fear. Shouldn't Mystic have known that too? After all, she'd complained about him since I knew her. Mystic knew my decision was to place Magnum on auto-dot, meaning any time he came to the room, he was automatically dotted so he couldn't spew his poison, and even then, the women who took me to task in the private room wanted more, but grudgingly agreed with my offer. They compromised, as I did. Why, except Mystic's need to be in charge, would she overturn this?

Livid: n/m...
Livid: forget it..
Mystic Sea Maiden: ok wait a min from everyone i talked to he did NOT do taht in Banned suppostly he did it in another room
Livid: Why do you think they were so angry? They didn't think I dotted him fast enought.. and the truth is, I probably should have dotted him quicker, but guess what? I was AGAIN the only one watching the room.
Livid: i don't give a fuck who you talked to..
Livid: I dotted him for a reason.. and even then i let him go until he'd gone WAY over the line...
Livid: and the next thing i know, i'm yanked into a room with at least a half dozen angry women telling me i didn't do something about him FAST enough...
Livid: So FUCK whoever you're talking to.. i don't believe it anyway...
Livid: JC wasn't in the room, so i know it wasn't him..
Livid: and April was in that meeting apparently to support the other women there.. so it wasn't her.
Livid: and if it was april, since when do you put your faith in her? isn't she the one you think has major emotional issues?
Livid: isn't she the one you said is threatening to kill herself all the time?
Livid: but never mind any of that.. you either believe me.. believe in me.. or you don't.. if you do believe in me, i'm happy to help you.. if you don't, then i'm not.
Livid: simple as that.. easy as that..
Mystic Sea Maiden: ok so what about red dots on someone due to nasty pm?
Livid: If I red dot someone for a TOS violation, and I tell them in the room text it will be for 5 minutes, and they then PM me, and abuse me even though I've explained the violation to them, and even then they continue it even more, I will tell them they are dotted for the day, and I will never "force" any admin to take that sort of abuse. They are there to help and they don't deserve that.
Livid: They are helping out of the kindness and generosity of their hearts, and they don't deserve that sort of abuse.
Livid: Even if they were getting paid, I wouldn't allow it.
Livid: They deserve the best treatment i can give them because they are doing it on principle... believe me.. they buy the concept.. but there is no reason they need to abide the abuse..

Why am I having to defend the administrators here? Shouldn't Mystic as owner of the room be doing that? Why was I the one who pointed out that the admin are not only doing their job but worthy of the highest respect and esteem and support we can possibly provide? Shouldn't she have been the one to jump to their defense from the very start? Aren't they human beings with feelings that get hurt when they're abused? Aren't they of flesh and blood who when threatened by an out of control nutcase on Paltalk, feel real fear and concern?

Livid: now either get out of PM's with everyone you're talking to about this or anything else, or we don't need to continue this.. i'm giving you my full attention.. it's the least you can do for me...
Mystic Sea Maiden: i am not in pm
Mystic Sea Maiden: i am admining my room
Livid: gee.. lol
Livid: well.. i'll just let you get back to that.. didn't mean to inconvenience you..
Mystic Sea Maiden: whatever

Now you know the reasons I quit "Banned". This was even "before" Mystic's sudden love affair with Virginia and Jay turned into making them admins and upsetting the room to the point where open rebellion reigned. She ultimately backtracked when the entire meeting she was forced to have by angry admin and roomies, turned into a landslide vote to strip the offenders of their hats. She blamed me for that for some reason, a meeting I resisted attending for an hour before she insisted I come, a meeting in which I did not vote and said precious little because I didn't think it was my right after I'd turned in my own hat. If I hadn't turned it in before this though, I would have then. I learned then and there I couldn't trust her.

Mystic was (and is) the only one I shared any personal information about my life. There was no one else. And yet the next thing I know, Mystic's friend April is using little bits and pieces of information only Mystic knew, and twisting them into lies. And now just a couple of days ago, there were libelous and dispicable charges in Virginia's blog by mrarchiebunker, which also had elements that only Mystic knew, and this time the lies had turned into the most damning and untrue violations of my life you can imagine. Until very recently I struggled with a life that for the couple of years has been beset with heart problems, hospitalizations, financial setbacks and other problems that have made things difficult for me. What I told her was important to me and confidential as all personal conversations are and should be.

Even now I hate that I feel forced to do something I never do with anyone but my family. Regardless of whether I'm flush with everything I could want as I was just a short couple of years ago and am headed toward again, or mired in the troubles that hamper every human life, it pains me to have to speak of myself to anyone except those very few people I trust. I made the horrendous mistake of trusting one person on Paltalk, and she has paid me back with lies, deceit, broken words, and pain.

Right up until the moment of this writing, I remained silent and placed the blame of libel at the feet of Virginia and archie for their libel. It remains there now, but now you see the seeds of that betrayal, sown by Mystic. No question I was angry at her, but I never spoke publicly about her, and didn't even make the decision to open a new room until she made her deal with Virginia and Jay behind everyone's backs. Right up until this moment I've kept her name quiet, hoping she'd somehow morph into the woman she made herself out to be. By the time of this PM, I had made the trip from complete and utter loyalty to no longer trusting her at all, not to mention no longer believing anything she told me, either personally or otherwise. It got even worse as time passed, and future PM's are no better. This one however, doesn't even cover much of what transpired since then that has forced me into the moment of acceptance I struggled against for so long. There are some very significant things Mystic has told me over time, some of them that were difficult to believe even before any of this happened, some of which she has claimed on Patltalk. Now I wonder if any of it is true! And yet I remain quiet about those questions while others have not. Perhaps I should have checked more thoroughly into the reason she was fired in 2Way, but I didn't. I simply believed what she told me without question. Naive people like me never learn. I liked Mystic, and therefore I trusted her. Hope and faith is all we have sometimes, and my God does it hurt when those things are attacked.

Why has all this happened? Mystic's need to get even because I quit "Banned", because of her ego, her pride, because she blames me for the loss of her room, even though her choices brought about its downfall. And most of all, this has happened because of her lack of ethics, character and integrity. So now half a dozen people at minimum, a few chatrooms, a couple of blogs, and all those directly or indirectly impacted can suffer so that Mystic takes her pound of flesh from one man, and one who deserves better. This is the stuff of nightmares, hers, and now mine, and everyone else's. For what? To what end? Except to nourish one's own failings, to hide and mask, to lie to ourselves, to hurt and punish. Why?

CAUTION!!! A CON ARTIST IS IN OUR MIDST

Hmmm, so you turned your hat in at Banned cause of Jay and Virginia, Livid? Well the way I rememeber it is that you turned in your hat(e) when I refused to let a chatter have a reddot for the day, cause they sent you a nasty pm after you red dotted them. Livid I know that you are getting up in age so here let me refresh your memory (yes I saved the pm).

Mystic Sea Maiden: i am not backing down people do not get red dot for day for nasty pm to an admin

Mystic Sea Maiden: you told me and I'm copy & paste:

Mystic Sea Maiden: Livid: If I red dot someone for a TOS violation, and I tell them in the room text it will be for 5 minutes, and they then PM me, and abuse me even though I've explained the violation to them, and even then they continue it even more, I will tell them they are dotted for the day.

Mystic Sea Maiden: Livid tpld you i am not playing thsi game you threaten to leave as admin anytime I disagree with you

Mystic Sea Maiden: not going to do it

Livid: i'm not threatening.. i simple told you i do not wish to hat under these circumstances..

The most abusive thing this chatter pmed Livid was he was like Hilter (I will post this pm too that Livid copied and pasted to me, when I get that chatter's ok, which I am sure I will)

Wow, bet a few are surprised to hear that Livid didn't leave as an admin due to Jay or Virginia, he left because I would not back down to his request, (something I shamefully admit to doing a few times in issues regarding the room Banned) this is a known fact to some, you don't just have to take my word for it.

Now on to little Livid's denial of trying to control April through me, since he knows we are friends.

Livid: don't answer me then.

Mystic Sea Maiden: well i am going to think about not being able to post when and how i want livid sorry but i am

Mystic Sea Maiden: if you dont understand that

Mystic Sea Maiden: well then you can make your own answer for me

Mystic Sea Maiden:you got upset at the little comment i made at virginia blog

Livid: you AND april...

Livid: and don't tell me you have no control of april..

Mystic Sea Maiden:i do not have control of her


Mystic Sea Maiden: i do not have control over anyone, no one should control another person

Now that pm was when he was trying to be nice, here's another one when Livid got a wee bit upset at me telling him I don't control April.

Mystic Sea Maiden: and i have no control over april or anyone else for that matter

Livid: well you'd better get control over april because she is rapidly pushing her own personal agenda into yanking you into it.

Got to love the way Livid tries to tear two friends apart by suggesting April is pushing her agenda on me. The only 'agenda' I saw April doing was defending a friend that was under attack & recovering from a hospital stay. There are more pm from little Livid telling me to control April; but he is growing smarter, yesterday he pulled me into a private room (refused to allow me to speak) and TOLD me what I was to do and not do. Now Livid in case you haven't clued in to my answer, it is NO!!!!!!!

I have meet all types on paltalk , but never one as controlling as Livid. Now I am sure a few of his 'friends' will come attack me and April and I don't care. Some of them are the same ones that choose to believe everything Livid fed them, without bothering to research the issues at hand. Quite ironically Livid whined to a few, accusing of them of not coming to get his side of the story, while he had people that never even came into Banned or even talk to me defend him. Soon it will become clear to everyone that has half a brain, why Livid is doing the things he has been doing. I just hope until that time no one else is conned by his BULLSHIT LIES!!!!

People really need to stop and think, those of you that know me have you ever seen me attack a person on pal besides Jes for her horrid remarks about my pain, something else Livid thought he could use against me. Livid tried saying I lied about what she texted in room, when he wasn't even in SI rooms and when Jes did it in a full room for all to see. Was I not always fair no matter what party one was from? Yet, some just think Livid is a saint that he would never have a personal agenda, although none of us knew Livid till what 8 to 10 weeks ago?

Ladies it is time to stop creaming over Livid's soft voice and charming way with words, cause trust me he isn't like that at all when he isn't conning. Men time to show that real men still exist, men that would never ever threaten a woman. Men that would never try to con a woman, real men!!!

Now attack away Livid, but keep in mind I have every right in the world to defend myself, something I should have done a month ago!!!

~~~~~Forever A Facetious Pain~~~~~
~~~~~Sweetest Smiles~~~~~

A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE & UNDERSTANDING

For the sake of perspective and accuracy, let's take a look at what precipitated April's entry (further down in this blog). The following is the unedited "entirety" of April's PM (attack) on me, to which I responded. I had a feeling she was recording it as she (and others) have done before, and I've learned in order to insure accuracy, to do the same. It's stupid to have to go to such measures, but such is life on Paltalk. I would have hoped she had included the words she wrote to me which caused my response, but since she didn't, I do so here!

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April has been made the instrument of others to spread complete and utter lies about me. In case you've not seen Virginia's blog, you likely aren't aware of the libelous charges against me there by none other than mrarchiebunker and Virginia, both known and demonstrated neonut liars who want nothing more than to quiet progressive voices. BTW, my comments to Virginia's blog have been deleted as she has chosen to censor and delete any record of my responses to her blog charges.
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April has been "used" by others before, including but not only by Dommie. I have avoided as much as possible responding to her until now, and hate the idea she has allowed her mental issues to interfere with her better judgement, both of the people she selects as her friends, and her choice to go public with her problem. I didn't (do not) wish to air anyone's errant words/opinions, and least of all someone who has the sort of health issues and apparently horrible experiences with men that April has, but I feel forced to provide at least a "limited" defense of myself.

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There is obviously more to this than meets the eye, but I'm trying my best only to defend myself while avoiding harm as much as possible to others, including and especially April. Before her sudden dislike of me appeared when I turned in my hat to "Banned by 2Way" because of its decision to give Virginia and Jay hats and allow MagnumPotent to spew his ugly hatred against women in the chatroom, I believed April to be sweet and kind. BTW, I believe the ownership and management of "Banned" made their choices for what they believed was the good of the room. I don't believe the Virginia/Jay/MagnumPotent decision by "Banned" was meant to harm or cause trouble. I simple believed it wasn't a good choice, and in principle, one I could not support as an administrator. In any case, I still believe the good qualities I saw in April are inside her, and that they can return if others don't don't use her problems to further their own agendas, and she continues to fight her illness.

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This is not an indictment of April, and I don't wish it to be taken in that way. If it's an indictment of anything, it's against those who use the natural frailties of others to their own ends. To take advantage of anyone just because you can is extremely vile, but even worse when it's someone who has enough problems finding her way while burdened with a sickness she fights every day of her life. Aside from what April and others have said, I know almost nothing of her problems, but I do know they are not of her own choice, and are no different than any health malady that can strike any of us.

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Again, the following is a complete copy of April's PM to me, followed by my response and answer to hers. No PM or communication between us had taken place prior to this, and none was exchanged upon the completion of my response to her. I assume her opening PM entry was her reaction to a blog response of mine (which has been deleted by Virginia) to another attack she made against me in Virginia's blog. At some point April went offline, assumedly because she didn't wish to hear anymore, but I continued with offline PM to her.

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Just_April1974: Listen asshole, NO ONE controls me! i got divorced from a lying, manipulating, psychopath like you! YOU pushed, shoved, and begged for all that you have been getting, so stop whining when you finally get what you wanted!!!
Livid: fine.. then if you want to be part of this, you can.
Just_April1974: is that a threat?
Just_April1974: come on Livid, grow some balls and say what you mean?
Livid: one moment.. i'm in PM with 3 others..
Livid: you'll have to wait your turn.
Just_April1974: you are bar none, the BIGGEST cyber pussy that i have EVER seen. you can throw insults around, talk shit about others, run them down, etc., and when your BS comes back to bite you in the ass you whine like a child
Just_April1974: no comment????
Just_April1974 just sent you a nudge!
Livid: you'll have to wait.. i'm in private with (name deleted, no reason to bring others into this)
Just_April1974: ok
Just_April1974: well, guess you are too busy. besides, you and i both know that i am right. you try to prey on weaker/too kind people who you can manipulate, you are a preditor.
Livid: Don't blame me for your choice of men april. I've been divorced too.. and in my case from a wonderful woman who thinks the same of me.. we're still the very best friends.. I could care less what you believe you know about me april. the truth is, you know nothing, and anything you believe you know has been fed to you either as lies, or as elements of the truth that you've taken and distorted because you hate men. I'm not the man you divorced who you claim is a manipulative psychopath. And why with the emotional problems your friend tells me you have would I believe that you are capable of discerning between me and this man you claim has so badly damaged you I don't know. But I thought you had more sense than that even though i was told you don't..
Livid: I never treated you badly and was nothing but kind to you. Unless your meds have made you forget that, you know that's true.
Livid: I was also more than kind and honest with mystic, whether you choose to believe that or not.
Livid: meanwhile, if i'm in an arguement with someone I believe is undermining certain principles that i see as important, such as honesty and integrity and character, then it's not really your business or even in your own interest to insert yourself, no matter how much personal enmity, however well founded you think it might be.
Livid: as you say... just my thoughts.... and i hope you consider them... saves a lot of people a lot of trouble in the long run...
Livid: and btw? whether you know it or not, i make it a habit to consider private conversation just that... private...
Livid: and please don't pretend those who I take to task for their lack of honesty and integrity are "weak and too kind". You're either saying that for affect just because you dislike me or because you're simply not thinking about it... either way, you're wrong.
Livid: Do what you wish april.. i have no control over you, and don't really care one way or the other anymore what you do. I was doing my best to protect you and (name deleted)

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That's it folks, no more and no less. Why April's acrimony? My sole guess is there are those who are angry our chatroom exists. While some are annoyed I turned in my hat with "Banned" and opened a room with like minded people, I'm also aware there are those with rooms that already existed who will do whatever they can to bring down any room that shows any tendency toward a room that offers an alternative to "bans, bounces, and repression of free speech. The evidence many of you have seen of room raiders from those rooms into "liv & let liv" on a daily basis after we first opened know this as well. When they discovered we would not be detered, they sank to new lows with personal attacks, outright lies, and hurtful libel in blogs, PM's and chats. Meanwhile April, whether she realizes it or not, and remember she's already indicated (in her blog entry here) people with instability often don't know it or don't know the extent of it, has been and is being used as a pawn to other's agendas.
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Those who would bring down our chatroom need to remember that regardless of whether I'm there or not, whether the room itself ceases to exist or not, the participants of the rooms can and will make their own choices. Many have had a taste of fairness they have not experienced in the other rooms of the social issues and government sector of Paltalk, and will open their own rooms. I hope they do. There is plenty of space for rooms that provide what passes for open expression and the relaxed security of knowing they will not be thrown out on their ear should they disagree with an admin, or simply be disliked by those who run the room. Personal vendettas against me won't stop people who believe in freedoms from seeking and finding them. Rooms and people come and go, as will I and our room, but they can and will be replaced with better, freer, and more progressive ones.
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I leave it to discerning people to determine what seems reasonable (and right) and what doesn't. Again, I don't expect the reader to understand the PM content, and for the privacy of others have not provided "some" background. I do believe the tone is apparent though, and certainly more complete than April's below. I'm hopeful this blog and Paltalk can go back to some semblance of common courtesy, understanding, and empathy for others. I have my doubts that will happen, but hope springs eternal as the saying goes. Keep a good thought, and the wisdom to see compassion is always the best choice we can make!

ATTILA'S LAST STAND

I'm not certain whether to applaud or mourn Attila the Hen's retreat from the blogging stage, but what is unfortunate for us is that she has selected some simplistic essay from Dr. Wilson as her swan song. Had she not mentioned its authorship, I might have mistaken it for a sixth grade summer composition, perhaps entitled, "Why I do so very much love my country, the United States of America."

There's nothing wrong with loving ones country, but combining childish adoration with gross omissions of fact, all to try and defend the weak proposition that no one else knows quite enough, or values quite highly enough, freedom and democracy, well, that's just outright dishonesty.

Al Franken once wrote about the different ways one can love ones country. Conservatives love their country as a child loves a parent. It is a powerful love, but they cannot see any wrong that their country might do. Obviously, there are times when a leader, or the passions of the people, may take a country in the wrong direction. The conservative will never be able to see this, and will not be able to correct the course. What's worse, the conservative, like a child, will attack viciously anyone he sees as critical to the country, much like MrArchieBunker and his ilk do.

The liberal loves his country as one adult loves another. The feeling is strong, but tempered by wisdom. If the nation is doing wrong, only someone who is truly patriotic can return it to the right path. The conservative will not see what must be done, and will pitch over the cliff's edge, taking the country with them. If you're reading this, and you're a conservative, you're probably thinking, "Hey, he's wrong about that! My country is doing the right thing! And he must hate America, to say something is wrong!" That's just what a child says, when someone insults his mommy.

You're a lot like James Q. Wilson, in fact. Wilson talks about the constitution, and doesn't even mention the Bill of Rights. He claim that Social Security is going bankrupt, when even the Congressional Budget Office says that merely repealing Bush's ruinous and lopsided tax cuts would easily cover the SS shortfall. For pete's sake, he calls Pakistan a democracy!

Attilla, come on. You can do better than this.

JC

PALTALK JACKASSES

Livid: <<(08/29/06 3:07 PM EDT)>> Don't blame me for your choice of men april. I've been divorced too.. and in my case from a wonderful woman who thinks the same of me.. we're still the very best friends.. I could care less what you believe you know about me april. the truth is, you know nothing, and anything you believe you know has been fed to you either as lies, or as elements of the truth that you've taken and distorted because you hate men. I'm not the man you divorced who you claim is a manipulative psychopath. And why with the emotional problems your friend tells me you have would I believe that you are capable of discerning between me and this man you claim has so badly damaged you I don't know. But I thought you had more sense than that even though i was told you don't..

Livid: <<(08/29/06 3:08 PM EDT)>> I never treated you badly and was nothing but kind to you. Unless your meds have made you forget that, you know that's true.

Livid: <<(08/29/06 3:09 PM EDT)>> I was also more than kind and honest with mystic, whether you choose to believe that or not.

Livid: <<(08/29/06 3:31 PM EDT)>> meanwhile, if i'm in an arguement with someone I believe is undermining certain principles that i see as important, such as honesty and integrity and character, then it's not really your business or even in your own interest to insert yourself, no matter how much personal enmity, however well founded you think it might be.

Livid: <<(08/29/06 3:32 PM EDT)>> as you say... just my thoughts.... and i hope you consider them... saves a lot of people a lot of trouble in the long run...

Livid: <<(08/29/06 3:34 PM EDT)>> and btw? whether you know it or not, i make it a habit to consider private conversation just that... private...

Livid: <<(08/29/06 3:36 PM EDT)>> and please don't pretend those who I take to task for their lack of honesty and integrity are "weak and too kind". You're either saying that for affect just because you dislike me or because you're simply not thinking about it... either way, you're wrong.

Livid: <<(08/29/06 3:37 PM EDT)>> Do what you wish april.. i have no control over you, and don't really care one way or the other anymore what you do. I was doing my best to protect you and mystic, but your choices are your own...

Livid: <<(08/29/06 3:38 PM EDT)>> we all have choices we make, right or wrong.. they're "our" choices.. yours are no different.

And he is SUPPOSED to be a kind gentleman? Well, with men like him, who needs one? Sorry guys, I know not ALL men are psychopathic, egotistical, self-centered, abusive, ASSHOLES! Although I could easily believe so, considering my personal experiences with men, to include all men in with the group of twisted, supposed men would be ignorant, and I am not ignorant nor am I bitter enough to have given up all hope for the male gender.

Also, Livid... though I am mentally ill, I am not completely insane. I know this because I have been informed that insane people don't know that they are insane, so I will do you a favor.... YOU are a psychopath, seek immediate psychiatric help as soon as possible, for your safety and the safety of those around you, you NEED help. Good luck with that.

SPATIAL INTERCOURSE

After he's done probing mw, it's like they're practically engaged...

Preesi has discovered the reason why xxxmwxxx is so deranged. Wouldn't you know it, it was loneliness all along...

weetbix101: who woke up the alien?
xxxmwxxx: weet , im horny this morning, lets get it on
Preesi: I thi8nk WEETS a MAN
weetbix101: mw lol i'm an alpha man...wrong gender
Preesi: HAHAHAHA!!!
ladywicca: lol weety
xxxmwxxx: weet maybe you misread the statement in your mind
Preesi: HAHAHA@ MW
weetbix101: wicca almost 5'7 ..big tough guy here
ladywicca: lol you're my height weety
xxxmwxxx: weet i didnt mean we was going to fuck , i meant we could fight
Preesi: 5'8"
weetbix101: wicca yes but wear high heels...i dont
ladywicca: lol mw....yeah sure....being horny and 'fighting'....yeah k we got ya
yellow_mellow1: weet .. i think mw is begging for his space alien anal probing
weetbix101: mw u cant even get up from ur wheelchair spare urself the embarssement
weetbix101: yellow i hate huting little green guys

Paltalk is a terrible place to go looking for love. When they say, "all the wrong places," that's what they mean. I'm sure xxxmwxxx would have better luck on Match.com. Dr. Phil could even set him up with the tall, gray, and handsome bug-eyed alien man of his dreams...

Name: xxxmwxxx
Interests include: Hating brown people, watching NASCAR, Line-dancing.
Turn-ons: Whiskey shots, greenish skin, long, romantic flights through the solar system.
Turn-offs: Fancy educations, Mexicans, cold anal probes.

JC

FREE SPEECH, BUT...

If you were a part of the "Banned From 2 Way" experiment, you know that we tried to run a room that, unlike many others, would play fair and not play favorites. The most important rules that I pushed for, and Mystic agreed with, were that people should feel free to criticize admin decisions, and that admins should not ego trip or retaliate against people they personally disagree with or dislike. As soon as admins start abusing their powers, it casts a pall over the room, and makes chatters fear that, if they are not docile or in the in-crowd, they will be punished.

Some owners and admins act as though any critcism of an admin has to be hushed, that to even breathe a word of rebellion must be silenced, crushed, buried. But what is there to fear if someone wants to know why a particular dot or bounce happened? It's a capital crime to be curious? Let someone ask, "Why dot him?" Then say, "He broke TOS, he went too long, he said XYZ, whatever..." Letting someone question a decision does not mean that decision will change. Plenty of times, I let people question one of my decisions for sometimes half an hour, person after person, on mic and in text, and guess what? Most of the time I didn't change my mind, but sometimes I did. And chatters felt like they had some measure of control in the room, that if they asked, someone would listen and answer. Is that such a crazy idea? I suspect sometimes, when an admin in one of these rooms cuts off debate, and comes down harshly on any hint of dissent, it is because they know that what they did was arbitrary and indefensible, and that they are using the power of their @ to silence any questioning of their actions, lest evidence of their bias come to light.

So what do we see going on in the top room right now but the very powertripping that drove people away the first time. Now, it's not my place or anyone's place to tell the room owner how to conduct his affairs, but just in the past day, I have personally seen admins dotting people they personally dislike, on the dubious excuse that they weren't "on topic." There WAS no particular topic at that moment, the chatter was dotted simply because that admin was annoyed. Is it really desirable that we be subject to the moods and whims of an admin, rather than be as free to speak as is possible?

This is about inconsistent application of the rules. In other rooms, some admins have taken the wording of the PalTalk Terms Of Service and interpreted them so broadly as to allow any insult, any harsh language or nasty comment, to be deemed a TOS violation and subject to sanction. And again, chatters see this behavior and recognize it for what it is: Ego tripping, selective application of the rules. The easiest thing to do when you are an admin is to allow your personal animosities to govern your behavior. When timing speakers on the mic, for example, how easy is it to allow people you approve of a few extra seconds of time, a slight indulgence perhaps? And, by all means, give ALL chatters leeway. I often started my timer program late, for everyone. But within the past day, I saw an admin in the top room dot a chatter she disliked, with virtually no warning at all. And people are not stupid. Especially in PT, chatters are acutely aware of admin bias. And I was not alone in thinking and saying, "This one, because she hates her. That dot, because she wanted her to leave." Be realistic here. You aren't fooling anyone when you try to slap a ridiculous excuse on top of a blatant injustice.

As a room owner, I can well understand feeling that your position allows you to make whatever decisions you choose. And it may well be amusing to see your lieutenants abuse people that you yourself dislike. All I can say is that if you think it's funny for your admins to dot and bounce at a whim, or for the slightest trespass, then at least be honest with yourself: You're not running a Free Speech room.

JC

WITH PEOPLE LIKE THESE!

Over at Virgina's blog they have this new blogger named hattila the hen (chickenshit is more like it) and boy oh boy must she be a recent gradulate of the Vic Ferrari School of Neonuts and Nazi Jackasses. The first thing she does is try to post a article on what she views is the death of liberals but protesting WalMarts. Oh Jesusfuck, way to go, Chickenhawk! In case you haven't heard about Walmart, it was found to be guitly of illegal hiring practices. Not only does Chickenshit support Walmart, she is supporting businesses breaking the law, she must own quite a few shares in the company for her to post a blog like that.

Man, I hope someone sues the shit out of CA for invasion of privacy for posting pictures of women who are getting abortions. I support the pro-choice movement and I am proud of it and if I see anyone taking pictures of women outside of abortion clinics, I will go up to them and take their camera and shove it up their ass. That is not right and it is unlawful. CA better stop it or he will be sharing a bunk next to Bubba for a few years.

Livid- I think its time you stopped the war with AP, Virginia and the rest of them. It was funny for a moment, now its like I go to see the comments on my posts and its like having to read The Stand by Stephen King. Thank you.

I wonder if I should hack the conservative think blog and replace it with the writings of Al Franken? Yeah, thats a good idea. I bet old attila the chickenshit would have a stroke. (LOL).

Thats it for now and Jesus, all the missing rattler writers are in my basement, we are cooking up something big for the neocon jackasses. More Details soon.

Got to Run. That tattler writer is outside my house singing again with the full band and 70 person choir.

ZM

THE TRUE BELIEVER

Last night I found out a hell of a lot more about Conservative Atheist than I ever wanted to know. We all knew already that he is an unrepentant, ignorant racist. But it turns out that he is also a fanatical anti-choice zealot. And like most fanatics, he is firmly convinced of his own righteousness, and cheerfully dispenses with the existance of those he deems unworthy. Sound familiar? Osama bin something...

I'm not going to lower this blog by linking to his vile site, but I'll tell you that he has put up photos he takes at abortion clinic protests. If you ask around SI, I'm sure someone will know the link, but you won't get it from me. The most damning were photos of the license plates of vehicles. Now, we all know that the only reason to post such photos is so that dangerously unbalanced people can use the info to harass and potentially injure or kill those people. I'm not going to put those people in any more danger. In response, CA was dismissive:

Conservative Atheist: whatever happens happens
Conservative Atheist: I hold them accountable by exposing them to their family, friends, and communioty that they live in
Conservative Atheist: they choose to have those abortions
Conservative Atheist: I cant control what other do
Conservative Atheist: I simply take the pics and post them
Conservative Atheist: any person going in and out of the Abortion Clinics whether a Patient or someone doing business with the Abortion Clinic will have their pics taken and posted for the world to see
Conservative Atheist: any women that go in for Abortion in Cleveland better be prepared to have their pics posted on the Net

What is most disgusting, and most frightening, is that CA accuses liberals of being immoral, without any insight into how potentially destructive his actions are.

If he lived in a city with roving guerilla terrorists, what would he say?

"I saw the terrorists without reporting them, but I didn't help them directly..."

Or: "I let them stay at my house, but gave them no information..."

Or: "I told them who to kill, but gave them no guns..."

Or: "I gave them guns and locations, but didn't go myself..."

At what point on that slope do you realize you are culpable? You cannot give others the information used to do harm without being stained yourself. Don't you understand that if someone from your photos is hurt, YOU, Conservative Atheist, are to blame? Most people viscerally understand this, but zealots do not. You'll have his blood on your hands.

What is most sickening is that CA gives us the refrain of every terrorist: They are bad, so they deserve what they get. And he calls us immoral.

JC

FDA ALLOWS EASIER ACCESS TO "MORNING-AFTER" PILL

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News Article Here

By Lisa Richwine 1 hour, 57 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A "morning-after" contraceptive can be sold to adults in the United States without a prescription, health officials ruled on Thursday, ending a three-year fight over wider access and use by teenagers.

The Food and Drug Administration said Barr Pharmaceuticals Inc.'s Plan B pills must stay behind pharmacy counters to prevent girls under 18 from getting the drug without a doctor's order.
Backers welcomed the decision but balked at the age limit, saying all females needed quick access in order for the pills to work. Two Plan B pills - sold by prescription since 1999 - can prevent pregnancy if taken soon after intercourse. The decision also angered conservatives, and some groups on both sides were girding to challenge the decision in court.
FDA officials said Plan B was safe and effective for women when taken as directed, but should not be used routinely. Women's groups said wider access could reduce unwanted pregnancies and abortions. Studies show Plan B cuts the chances of pregnancy by 89 percent if taken within 72 hours of sex. It works best when used within 24 hours.

"There's no scientific or medical reason" for the age limit, said Amy Allina, program director for the National Women's Health Network. Barr plans studies to back non-prescription use by a broader age group, said company spokeswoman Carol Cox. Conservative groups that fought wider availability said age enforcement was impossible. They worry it could increase promiscuity and sexually transmitted diseases, particularly among teenagers.
The Family Research Council, a Christian lobbying group, said the FDA overreached and it would pursue legal and legislative options. Women who have sued the FDA over repeated delays on Plan B said they would fight in court to have the age limit lifted. The FDA said women and men must show proof of age to buy the emergency contraceptive without a prescription, and younger girls still need a doctor's order.
Barr agreed to monitor age enforcement and limit Plan B distribution to health clinics and stores with pharmacies. Nonprescription packaging should be available by year's end.
Barr has not set a price for non-prescription Plan B, Cox said. The prescription product now sells for about $25 to $40. Aimee Hess, a health-care analyst at Rochdale Research, said Plan B was a modest-sized product for Barr with estimated annual sales of about $30 million. "Sales could double within the next year or two, and a major emotional issue has been dealt with," Hess said. Approval prompted Democratic Senators Patty Murray of Washington and Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York to end their objection to a Senate confirmation vote on President George W. Bush President's pick to run the FDA, acting Commissioner Andrew von Eschenbach. Murray, Clinton and other Plan B supporters argued that repeated delays since the initial application in April 2003 were triggered by politics rather than scientific concerns.
FDA approval came three days after Bush said he supported the age limit on nonprescription sales.
"The FDA made clear that it will insist on stringent conditions and restrictions on access to reduce both health risks and opportunities for abuse, especially to protect minors," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said.
Emergency contraceptives are available without a prescription in about 40 countries. Nine U.S. states already allow access by those of any age through pharmacists.
Plan B pills contain higher doses of progestin, a hormone used in prescription birth-control pills for 35 years. Women are supposed to take the two tablets 12 hours apart. Like prescription birth control pills, Plan B blocks the release or fertilization of an egg. Some research suggests the hormone also may keep a fertilized egg from attaching to the womb, and some opponents liken that mechanism to abortion. Plan B is different from RU-486 a pill that causes an abortion early in pregnancy by blocking the hormone that keeps a fertilized egg implanted in the uterus. Barr stock closed down 20 cents at $57.77 a share on the New York Stock Exchange on Thursday.

(Additional reporting by Susan Heavey in Washington and Ransdell Pierson in New York)

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Be prepared folks, the holy rollers are going to start having strokes in droves now. Yes, women now have yet another option when confronted with unwated fish donations, they can stop them from being harvested! I know, this is going to be a heavy blow to masses of controlling, abusive, egotistical, womanizing men around the United States, all I can say is, "Suck it up boys!" Men love to cry about things of this nature, yet they fail to accept the responsibility for having lied, manipulated, threatened, and coerced women for decades into having sexual intercourse without condoms. Women have suffered not just unwated pregnacies and painful abortions as a consequence to these actions, but also numerous sexually transmitted diseases. Now we have entered a new age, where women are gaining more and more control over their lives, and their bodies, despite the oppression that has been forced upon us by males with a neanderthal thought proccess. For all of the people, namely men, who want less abortions, use condoms always!

Just my thoughts.

ROSA PARKS WOULD JUDO CHOP HER ASS

The Shreveport Times:

COUSHATTA -- Nine black children attending Red River Elementary School were directed last week to the back of the school bus by a white driver who designated the front seats for white children.

The situation has outraged relatives of the black children who have filed a complaint with school officials.

Superintendent Kay Easley will meet with the family members in her office this morning.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People also is considering filing a formal charge with the U.S. Department of Justice. NAACP District Vice President James Panell, of Shreveport, said he would apprise Justice attorneys of the situation this week. He's considering asking for an investigation into the bus incident and other aspects of the school system's operations, including pupil-teacher ratio as it relates to the numbers of white and black children, along with a breakdown of the numbers of black and white teachers employed.

"If the smoke is there, then there's probably fire somewhere else," Panell said in a phone interview from New Orleans. "At this point, it is extremely alarming. We fought that battle 50 years ago, and we won. Why is this happening again?"
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After Richmond and Williams filed complaints with the School Board, Transportation Supervisor Jerry Carlisle asked Davis to make seat assignments for her passengers, Sessoms said.

"But she still assigned the black children to the back of the bus," she added.

And the nine children had to share only two seats, meaning the older children had to hold the younger ones in their laps.

A new solution reached Monday by School Board officials has a black bus driver driving across town to pick up the nine black children.

"I think the whole school system needs to be reviewed in Red River Parish," Sessoms said.

Who knew that Conservative Atheist got a job driving JesSeado's kids to school?

(And before you start whining that the driver in the story is a woman, well, I wasn't supposed to say anything, but CA had a sex-change operation. She now wants to be called Concertina Adrienne, and it would be nice if you bastards could be a little supportive for once.)

JC

AND HE GRADUATED FROM YALE???

During a press conference at the G8 summit in Russia, President Bush told President Vladimir Putin that Americans want Russia to develop a free press and free religion “like Iraq.” To laughter and applause, Putin responded: “We certainly would not want to have same kind of democracy as they have in Iraq, quite honestly.” CNN’s Ed Henry called it a “tough jab.”

The exchange underscores how the war in Iraq has damaged the standing of the United States, to the point where even modest encouragement for democratic reform is met with ridicule.

Full transcript:

BUSH: I talked about my desire to promote institutional change in parts of the world, like Iraq, where there’s a free press and free religion. And I told him that a lot of people in our country would hope that Russia will do the same thing. I fully understand, however, that there will be a Russian-style democracy.

PUTIN: We certainly would not want to have same kind of democracy as they have in Iraq, quite honestly.

BUSH: Just wait.

You can watch it here


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DEAL WITH IT!

You know, between this blog, the neonuts at conservastink and that idiot over at the tattler, I find myself thankful for this blog here. It's not because I write on it but it's a good place to get the CORRECT info on world events and truthful insight to how Americans feel about what's going on in the world today. Yeah, we have a few crackpots on the staff (LIVID) but we all devote ourselves to truth. Over at Virginia's dive they called into question some posts. They looked like rehashes of the latest bunch of insults from Fox Snooze and that whole gang of fear masters. WE are equal time and WE show the truth and WE are the ones opening eyes. NOT VIRGINIA, NOT THE TATTLER, NOT FOX NEWS,....so deal with it!

And, while we are at it, could someone please wake up Nooogie and tell him to update his blog. Thank You.

ZM

A TERRIBLE THING TO WASTE!

I cannot blame any American for wishing and hoping our children's educations ranks first among all. As a country, we are adherents to the historical principle of being the best, strongest, and brightest. The collective national chest swells with pride at the achievements we've made in propelling our nation and in many cases the world to new, bigger and better things. We thrive on competition, take it personally when we don't do well, and often countenance no deviation from the idea we continue to be #1. It is with this thought in mind that I attempt with gentle persuasion and with facts at the ready, to send an alert to awaken us from a slumber that can and will encumber this nation with peril if we do not address it now.

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JC's comment on the state of American education, made in offhand fashion in his otherwise well considered thoughts on a wider and associated topic in this blog:

"Personally, I don't think I agree with Livid that our educational system is in such dire condition. In many respects, our education system is competent, and can, properly funded, produce well educated individuals. But that won't happen unless we are able to push back against the agendas of unscrupulous religious groups and their allies in the conservative movement."

Note: I completely agree with JC's treatise as regards some religious and conservative groups.

A lot of Americans, including me, want to believe our education system and the quality of the educations our young people receive continues to set the standard for the rest of the world. This doesn't mean we are bad, it just means we possess the positive attribute of hope. After all, we know intuitively in order to compete in a global economy, we must maintain excellence in all areas of study. Our own history demonstrates clearly when we’ve had a well educated populace, we have excelled in the creation of ideas in science, technology, agriculture, manufacturing, commerce, arts, literature, and just about any endeavor there is.

We, as Americans, possess pride in our accomplishments, as well we should. We have led the world for at least a half century in producing minds capable of changing the world. Inherent in most Americans is hope for our future, something instilled in our national personna at the birth of our country, a hope that has so often manifested itself in the progress we have contributed to mankind. While pride, hope and belief are often admirable traits, it is sometimes true these attributes can get in the way of the knowledge and acceptance of facts readily in evidence.

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Following are excerpts from a press statement by William H. Schmidt, U.S. TIMSS (Third International Mathematics and Science Study) National Research Coordinator from Michigan State University.

TIMSS showed very low results for US students compared to those in the other countries giving the tests, both for general knowledge by average graduating seniors and for advanced performance by seniors studying physics and calculus.

A recent report, "Facing the Consequences", from the US TIMSS Research Center suggested that these results were certainly to be expected. It pointed out that there was a consistent decline in our relative standing from fourth grade to eighth grade in both mathematics and science. Of the almost 40 topics examined in both mathematics and science, none showed improved standing relative to other TIMSS countries from fourth to eighth grade. Most topics showed a decline over the middle school years.

The US pattern of consistent small gains contrasts sharply with patterns in other TIMSS countries where in any single grade there are large gains for some topics and small gains in others. US high school seniors' performance on the TIMSS tests show that this approach of accumulating consistent small gains in the end does not result in overall gains as large as those attained by focusing on some topics for greater gains but changing the focus across the years of schooling. Schmidt suggested, "Surely these results must call into question the entire US approach to mathematics and science curricula across the grades."

What about the US's better students? When asked, Schmidt replied, "For some time now, Americans have comforted themselves when confronted with bad news about their educational system by believing that our better students can compare with similar students in any country in the world. We have preferred not to believe that we were doing a consistently bad job. Instead, many have believed that the problem was all those 'other' students who do poorly in school and who we, unlike other countries, include in international tests. That simply isn't true. TIMSS has burst another myth - our best students in mathematics and science are simply not 'world class'. Even the very small percentage of students taking Advanced Placement courses are not among the world’s best." http://ustimss.msu.edu/12gradepr.htm

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Following is a quote from Bill Gates, founder and CEO of MicroSoft from a column in the Columbus Dispatch, "High Schools Need Top-to-Bottom Revision", who was speaking at a late February meeting of the nation's governors on education issues;

Gates said:

"Training the work force of tomorrow with the high-school students of today is like trying to teach kids about today's computers on a 50-year old mainframe. Our high schools were designed 50 years ago to meet the needs of another age. Until we design them to meet the needs of the 21st century, we will keep limiting -- even ruining -- the lives of millions of Americans every year."

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Findings from a recently released study from the Program for International Student Assessment (PISA):

Recently released findings of the Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) ranked U.S. high school students 24th out of 29 countries.

At the fourth grade, U.S. students were above the international average in both science and mathematics. In the eighth grade, U.S. students scored above the international average in science and below the international average in mathematics. At the end of secondary schooling (twelfth grade in the U.S.), U.S. performance was among the lowest in both science and mathematics, including among our most advanced students.

US students placed the US in the lower half among the countries tested. Students in Asia ranked at the top. Students from several European countries also had better average scores than US students. http://forum.signonsandiego.com/showthread.php?t=40959

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Other studies:

The United States is falling when it comes to international education rankings, as recent studies show that other nations in the developed world have more effective education systems. In a 2003 study conducted by UNICEF that took the averages from five different international education studies, the researchers ranked the United States No. 18 out of 24 nations in terms of the relative effectiveness of its educational system.

Another prominent 2003 study, the Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study, shows a steady decline in the performance of American students from grades 4 to 12 in comparison to their peers in other countries. In both studies, Finland, Australia, Belgium, Austria, Hungary, Netherlands and the United Kingdom beat the United States, while the Asian nations of South Korea, Japan and Singapore ranked first through third, respectively. The TIMSS study is a comprehensive study done on a four-year cycle that measures the progress of students in math and science in 46 participating countries. It evaluates fourth, eighth and 12th-graders through questionnaires, tests and extensive videotaping of classroom environments. The TIMSS results reveal a lot about the weaknesses of the U.S. education system, said David Marsh, a professor at the University of Southern California Rossier School of Education. “In fourth grade, American kids do above average internationally. By eighth grade, they slip a bit, and by 12th-grade, they’ve slipped a lot,” Marsh said. “We’re the only country that slides down that much from fourth to 12th grade.” http://kapio.kcc.hawaii.edu/upload/fullnews.php?id=52

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If you take the time to evaluate the links provided, you will see the failure of the American education system to keep pace with the rest of the world, and in particular in math, computer science, physical science and engineering of all types. (JC, it’s almost demanded I point out here Virginia is an engineering student) The sites provided argue causation, including an indictment of procedures, methods, what we teach, how we teach, as well as commitment and attitude towards education. There seems to be no evidence that funding is the culprit, but instead concentrates on the elements of my previous sentence.

Regardless of the reasons we are lagging behind, there is ample evidence of it being a fact that is not in dispute by any serious authority. The question now is what to do. I refer you to my previous entry on the subject, and exhort you to get involved in a very personal way. We are failing to provide our most valuable citizens, the greatest resource we possess, the youth of America, with the means to survive and prosper in the coming age. Our duty as parents and citizens calls for action, and to ignore that responsibility because of our hopes, our beliefs and our pride, will surely lead to our fall. Look at our economy, jobs, debt, trade deficit, loss of corporations to offshore locales, to see the evidence we’re already headed for disaster. It’s better to attack this problem now before it becomes too late, and that moment in time is rapidly approaching. We can begin by putting our minds where our mouths are and educating ourselves. Take the time to study and evaluate the conditions that have led to this discussion, and make the personal effort to make corrections where we are failing. WE CAN SUCCEED, with your help and your focus!

LIES, DAMNED LIES, AND YOU KNOW FUCK ALL ABOUT STATISTICS

Ah, college. I remember those brain cells fondly...

I certainly have my doubts about whether AnonymousPoster is really Virginia_1776, but one thing I have no doubts at all about is that AP is a fucking moron. In this post AP had this to bleat about the article in Science about attitudes toward evolution:

I too read JC's article and have to wonder how he based his frazzled opinion on one chart he found posted on someone else's liberal blog. There is no statistical control data listed as to who was polled or how many were polled. There is no data at all about any educational level of those polled or their political affiliations.

Fascinating. And by fascinating, I mean I am fascinated by how lazy and ignorant some people can be. It took me all of 5 minutes looking through the links from the newspaper article, to the magazine article, to find this link (PDF) to the actual Materials, Methods and Results of the survey. You'd expect that if AP wanted to try and slice at me over not having my data ducks in a row, that you'd, I don't know, make sure the data isn't right fucking there, for all to see?

Right away, AP seems to be heaving around some weighty terms, in an effort to make the reader think she has some expertise. It happens a lot when someone knows just the tiniest sliver about a topic, and wants to bluff that they have more. Anyone who spends time on Paltalk will be more than familiar with the "PT Professor." AP, my little friend, control groups are used in experimental designs, not in correlational surveys. Experiments depend on differences between groups. Correlations depend on the interactions of different variables within the same sample.

In the Supplemental Materials you'll see a description of all the surveys, including the number of participants for each survey. Further on, you can see that the surveys included data on age, gender, educational level, religious belief, pro-life beliefs, political ideology, knowledge of genetics, as well as attitudes toward evolution and science & technology. They used a simple regression model to find the degree of effect of each independent variable on the dependent (attitudes toward evolution), and lo and behold found a significant negative correlation for religious belief, pro-life beliefs, and political ideology. It also comes as no surprise that having knowledge of genetics is positively correlated with acceptance of evolution.

Of course, it goes without saying that correlation does not equal causation, and variables can have an interactive effect, but it seems like the data supports the idea that the more religious and conservative you are, the less likely you are to accept evolution. You see how easy this is when you actually bother to do your homework?

JC

BRAINWASHED AMERICA

Couldn't resist this one. RATTLER ROCKS!

THEY'RE NOT JUST IGNORANT ABOUT SCIENCE

If there were any doubt about the laughable ignorance and deficient reasoning ability of conservatives, Virginia_1776's post, Claus Exposed over at CThink removes all doubts.

First and foremost, it is truly an amazing statistic that the United States of America beats only Turkey in agreement with the thoroughly scientifically accepted Theory of Evolution (and to forestall more ignorance, know that a "theory" in sicence, is a robustly supported conclusion, not a "guess") If you actually go to the link of the study, you'll find that there are actually TWO reasons cited for this outcome. One is the widespread fundamentalism in the US. The second is the POLITICIZATION of science.

As is readily apparent, there are many scientific conclusions that are at odds with religious dogma. At the top of that list is the scientifically settled issue of evolution, along with related issues of cosmology, such as age of the earth, and origins of the universe. There exist very powerful religious organizations in this country that work tirelessly to change the law to put their religious BELIEFS into science classrooms. There have been several recent battles over evolution in the classroom. The most recent fight, in Dover, PA, saw the zealots resoundingly defeated, with the judge excoriating them for their lies and deceptions, including trying to pass off Intelligent Design as science rather than what it was, thinly veiled religious dogma.

The most important point to understand is that issues like evolution and global warming are largely settled matters within their respective scientific communities. Although there are always new advances in understanding, the core theories, that all animals evolved from a common ancestor, or that human activity contributes to increasing global warming above natural events, these theories are no longer under dispute scientifically. But since these Chistian Right groups, like Pat Robertson's or James Dobson's, object to these conclusions on RELIGIOUS grounds, because these conclusions conflict with and threaten their BELIEFS, they use the political system to try and create controversy where none exists. No one is suggesting, as Virginia foolishly states, that ALL Americans, or even most, are fundamentalists. What is shown, as it is in the book The Republican War on Science, by Chris Mooney, is that conservatives use narrow electoral majorities to throw up a lie-filled smokescreen in an attempt to portray debates over evolution as a contest between two equal positions, when the reality is that their beliefs are nothing but that: beliefs; while the scientific conclusion is robustly supported by overwhelming evidence.

Thus it is a sad state of affairs to see that these disingenuous religious zealots have been as successful as they have been. Their mendacious crusade to misrepresent scientific debate has resulted in a public that is incredibly misinformed on these scientific issues. Personally, I don't think I agree with Livid that our educational system is in such dire condition. In many respects, our education system is competent, and can, properly funded, produce well educated individuals. But that won't happen unless we are able to push back against the agendas of unscrupulous religious groups and their allies in the conservative movement.

JC