The Ratttler: TIME IS UP

Friday, October 13, 2006

TIME IS UP

7 days has come and gone..now it is time for the news you guys have been waiting for:

Today is Friday Oct.13th, 2006. It is also National Horror Day in America. To celebrate, many places are holding horror movie marathons in various places. The Chainsaw Awards are on Oct. 23, 2006 on Fuse tv (www.fuse.tv). Jeri and I are celebrating by watching the launch of Fangoria TV at www.fangoriatv.com. What are you going to do to celebrate today? Leave comments only for this question, please.

Thank you and have a horrific day!

33 comments:

MysticSeaMaiden said...: Wooo Hooo I have been working on things myself Just got the halloween site up I have been working on with my daughter. Check it out if you like. It is still a work in progess, but almost finished ;)Virtual Hauntings Happy Hauntings; 10:52 PM
zombiemaster said...: That is an awesome site, mystic.I am putting it on my favorites!; 5:55 PM
FRisson1 said...: WOW Muse That was a great Fun. Right on time for my favorite Holiday.; 12:27 PM
Anonymous said...: Halloween is not a holiday, dumbshit.; 9:12 AM
MysticSeaMaiden said...: Yo dumbshit anonymous, some people are pagan and therefore Halloween is a Holiday. Why do little minds only think of their religion?; 9:17 PM
MysticSeaMaiden said...: Jay same response to you, not everyone practices Christnity as their religion. There are many other religions out there and some much older than Christinty. Before you give anyone shit about being pagan or non christian, remember even the military recoginzes Wicca; 9:51 PM
AnonymousPoster said...: Yo, Muse,

While some may be pagans, Halloween STILL is not a holiday. A holiday is a day off from work or school. I dont know about where you live, but most people dont take the day off for halloween. I think you and frisson mean it's a celebration. So, dont be so quick to say they have little minds. Anonymous was correct.

(Christians participate in the normal festivities of Halloween too.); 10:20 AM
MysticSeaMaiden said...: Yo anonymouse, IT IS A HOLIDAY to pagans!!!! Look it up, do you get the day off for Easter? Hey I guess Christman isn't a Holiday either to those that have to work on that day, according to your logic.

We better let other people of diffent religions than Christianty know that none of their Holidays are Holdays since they have to work. Would you like to do that? I mean since you are so smart and everything.

I guess Good Friday also is not a holiday, I can only wonder if you know the true meaning of the word Holiday, here let me help you, the word “holiday” literally means “holy day,”.

Your show your ignorance of Halloween to pagans, by comparing how Chrsitians 'celebrate' Halloween compare to what an importnat day it is to those of the pagan way. Now let me guess you will aurgue that Holiday does not mean Holy Day

Goodness at how limited is knowledge to some.

This has been a public announcement

~~~~~~Forever a Facetious Pain~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Smiles~~~~~~~~~~~~~~; 2:34 PM
AnonymousPoster said...: Muse,

Halloween is a christian celebration. All Hallows even is indeed a Holy day. We Christians dont get all our holy days as holidays. I know that just kicks you in the ass. If you really knew much about pagans you wouldnt claim its a pagan holiday either. Since youre so smart and everything.
For the record, Good Friday is not a sanctioned holiday. Most people who want to take it use vacation time. Easter is not a holiday either. Those who usually work on sunday also must use vacation time or be able to arrange to use that day as their off day. Christmas IS a holiday for most people. I guess you enjoy the day off too.; 6:51 PM
MysticSeaMaiden said...: I was repling back to another mouse post that said Hoildays are only days one gets off work or school, pay attention. Plus I do know taht Halloween (All Hallow Ever, All Saints day) is a christian Holiday, they stole it from the pagans. As they did with most holidays. Take a look into the history of Christinty, at first the Christains tried to convert pagans into their religion, so they (christians) thought to incorparate some of the pagan's Holidays into Christinty holidays would help with that trans. Now this is not just my words, anyone can do a bit of research to find out this info.; 6:30 PM
MysticSeaMaiden said...: And what really gets me, is taht this was a fun thread in the spirit of the season and some just had to turn it into a war, wtf is wrong with ou guys? Can't you just once allow people to have a bit of fun, without being complete asses? Can you not allow enjoyment with tainting it with your words of hate? I am just wondering.

Wit that said I am getting ready to enjoy Halloween with my child and take her to her first Haunted House, I only hope some of you hate lovers can take time out to enjoy Halloween, it is the only time of the year that we all can act like kids.

Happy Halloween; 6:34 PM
Anonymous said...: anonymousposter: 3

facetious muse: 0; 7:18 AM
Anonymous said...: LOL anonymous. That literally made me L O L!; 6:33 PM
Anonymous said...: OMG you dumbass little snit. Facetious Muse, Pagans had no holidays dumbass. Pagans were the people who lived in very rural areas. News of Christianity was spreading fast but not very fast to those living in the out areas. Thats where the term pagan came from.... meaning people who lived in rural areas. They werent people who worshiped anything and were to be won over to christianity. Pagans werent converted. LOL I bet you really thing Uncle Ben converted from some ritualistic rice society? LOL LOL Do some research yourself stupid. I cant believe you even posted that for all to see how ignorant you are.; 11:58 PM
Michelle said...: I don't think people should reply to dumbasses like anonymous number. whatever. I guess there were no religions before Christianity now? LMAO Keeping repeating that shite and quite possibly you all will change history. Afterall...that is the mission. Anonymous, go back to whereever you got your definition of a pagan and read the full meaning of the word. Muse you were right on. It must be very exhausting having to reply to these idiots that do not know their facts.; 9:55 AM
Anonymous said...: Michelle, Muse and anyone else too stupid to do research...

Webster definition of pagan: Middle English, from Late Latin paganus, from Latin, civilian, country dweller, from pagus country district; akin to Latin pangere to fix.

Wikipedia: The term pagan is from Latin paganus, an adjective originally meaning "rural", "rustic" or "of the country." As a noun, paganus was used to mean "country dweller, villager." In colloquial use, it would mean much the same as calling someone a 'bumpkin' or a 'hillbilly'. Paganus was almost exclusively a derogatory term. (It is from this derivation of "villager" which we have the word "villain", which the expanding Christians called the Pagans of Northern Europe/Scandinavia). From its earliest beginnings, Christianity spread much more quickly in major urban areas (like Antioch, Alexandria, Corinth, Rome) than in the countryside (in fact, the early church was almost entirely urban), and soon the word for "country dweller" became synonymous with someone who was "not a Christian," giving rise to the modern meaning of "pagan."[6]; 10:03 AM
Anonymous said...: The elevator just doesnt go all the way to the top does it, Michelle?; 10:04 AM
Michelle said...: Ohhhh! BTW, Tuesday is not my favourite holiday, Wednesday is!!! We should all have sex on this day, after all it is hump day!!; 10:06 AM
Michelle said...: Nobody is debating your definition anonymous, just do further research about the lives of those pagans, not just the western definition of a pagan. It must be nice to lump people that have different beliefs other than christianity into one definition?
This is what you need to concentrate on:
They werent people who worshiped anything and were to be won over to christianity. Pagans werent converted
And..as I always say, it is pathetic that people hide behind the anonymous names. Get a spine before you gang up on Muse with your ignorance. Some people do not want to waste their time doing research that you have full capabilities to perform.; 10:14 AM
Michelle said...: I must admit anonymous no. whatever that you are right partially about one thing. That would be pagans were not converted. You are kinda right, because most were not converted, they were burned at the stake, drowned, and imprisoned for their religious beliefs if they were not christian. So these rural people, i.e. pagans, also known as native americans, africans, and celts were converted through fear and persecution. Not saying all were, before you even go there, but the majority were converted in this very barbaric manner.; 10:33 AM
Anonymous said...: Bullshit Michelle. The paganism that youre talking about is a more western, modern day cult.; 4:56 PM
Michelle said...: anonymous No.whatever, what paganism are you referring to? Tribal communities have been around for thousands of years before Christianity. They held religious beliefs, as did other peoples, such as the Greeks, Celts and Norms.

As I stated before I am replying to the anonymous poster that wrote:
They werent people who worshiped anything and were to be won over to christianity. Pagans werent converted
Furthermore, what may be a cult to a Christian, might be a religion to another.

Those that are posting anonymously cannot be serious about a discussion about any topic. If they were, they would give a nic that is different from other nics. So to go any further with this topic with an anonymous poster is a waste of time. For the very reason that a person cannot respond to a poster if you do not know which poster to respond.

Despite this connection with the Roman Church, the American version of Halloween Day celebration owes its origin to the ancient (pre-Christian) Druidic fire festival called "Samhain", celebrated by the Celts in Scotland, Wales and Ireland. Samhain is pronounced "sow-in", with "sow" rhyming with cow. In Ireland the festival was known as Samhein, or La Samon, the Feast of the Sun. In Scotland, the celebration was known as Hallowe'en. In Welsh it's Nos Galen-gaeof (that is, the Night of the Winter Calends. According to the Irish English dictionary published by the Irish Texts Society: "Samhain, All Hallowtide, the feast of the dead in Pagan and Christian times, signalizing the close of harvest and the initiation of the winter season, lasting till May, during which troops (esp. the Fiann) were quartered. Faeries were imagined as particularly active at this season. From it the half year is reckoned. also called Feile Moingfinne (Snow Goddess).(1) The Scottish Gaelis Dictionary defines it as "Hallowtide. The Feast of All Soula. Sam + Fuin = end of summer."(2) Contrary to the information published by many organizations, there is no archaeological or literary evidence to indicate that Samhain was a deity. The Celtic Gods of the dead were Gwynn ap Nudd for the British, and Arawn for the Welsh. The Irish did not have a "lord of death" as such. Thus most of the customs connected with the Day are remnants of the ancient religious beliefs and rituals, first of the Druids and then transcended amongst the Roman Christians who conquered them.

A Short History of Halloween
From October Dreams, edited by Richard Chizmar & Robert Morrish (2001)

Festivals emphasizing the supernatural and death are common in almost all cultures. Modern Halloween is, at least, influenced by and probably originated with the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain. About 500 -1,000 BC, the Celts -- who at the time populated Ireland, Scotland, Wales, England, Brittany, and northern France -- celebrated the first day of winter as their New Year. Winter began, in the climate of Northern Europe, in November. The end of summer marked radical change in the daily life of this pastoral people. The herds were brought down from the summer pastures in the hills, the best animals put to shelter, and the rest slaughtered. For the Celts, the period we now consider the end of October and start of November was a time of preparation, festival, and plenty before the coming of the long winter. As agriculture became a part of their lives, harvest time also became part of the seasonal activity. The communal celebration became known as "Samhain" (there are a number of variant spellings, including Samfuin, Samhuinn, Samain). Linguistically, the word evidently simply combines the Gaelic words "sam" for "end" and "fuin" for "summer" -- End of Summer. Samhain may have just been one night -- October 31 -- or it may have stretched out over three days -- October 31, November 1, and November 2.

Although the bounty of nature and the natural change of seasons were important aspects of Samhain, it was also a festival of the supernatural. Samhain was the turning point of the year for a people who believed that even minor "turning points" -- the change from one day to the next, the meeting of sea and shore -- were magical. The turning of the year was the most powerful and sacred of such junctures. The worlds of the living and of the dead were very close to one another at Samhain, the veil between the two at its thinnest. The living could communicate with those who had gone beyond; the dead could visit the living. In Celtic times, the dead were not considered evil or particularly dreaded so much as consulted and honored as ancestral spirits and guardians of the wisdom of the tribe. Celtic priests, the Druids, contacted the dead in order to divine the future and make predictions for the community. [In Halloween lore of the last two centuries or so, references are made to "Samhain" as a deity or Celtic "Lord of the Dead." There is no evidence for such a god. The fallacy seems to have arisen in the 1770s before improved translation of Celtic literary work and modern archeology. It can be traced to the writings of a Col. Charles Vallency (who, for some reason, was trying to prove that the Irish originally came from Armenia) and then was later perpetuated by Lady Jane Francesca Wilde (Oscar's mum) in her mid-nineteenth century book Irish Cures, Mystic Charms and Superstitions. It has gone on to be unquestioningly and inaccurately repeated in many sources over the years.]

Although possibly later developed as post-Christian mythology, the Celts may have believed in faeries or similar magical creatures. They did not believe in demons or devils, but they may well have had these not-so-nice entities to deal with. Resentful of humans taking over the world, the faerie-folk were often thought to be hostile and dangerous. During the magical time of Samhain the faeries were even more powerful than usual. Humans might be lured astray by faeries. These unfortunates would then be lost in the fairy mounds and trapped forever.

Faeries or their kind weren't the only ones causing mischief. The yearly turning point was also seen as a suspension of ordinary space and time. For order and structure to be maintained for the rest of the year, chaos would reign during Samhain. Humans indulged in cross-gender dressing, tricks, and highjinks. On the practical side, such behavior was an outlet for high spirits before the confining winter came. We know very little of Druidic religious rituals, but we do know Samhain was one of four "Fire Festivals" of the Celts. Hearth fires were extinguished to symbolize the coming "dark half" of the year, then re-lit from Druidic fires to signify the return and continuance of life. Bonfires were also part of this observance.

Halloween can't really be considered a direct outgrowth of ancient Celtic practices. Other cultural elements -- including various harvest festivals -- eventually became part of Halloween custom. Over the centuries traditions have been both correctly and incorrectly attributed to the Celts. Sometimes this has been done with an appreciation of the ancient ways. But, more often, cultural-centrism and historic revisionism so colored thinking that a the past was unfairly interpreted. Early Christian missionaries intentionally identified contact with the supernatural as experiences originating with the Devil and inherently evil. The Druids, since they adhered to "false gods" were, therefore, worshippers of Satan. Later religious prejudice also lumped pagans in Sata- worship and the resulting misinformation has been further propitiated. (For that matter, as we shall see, animosity between Catholics and Protestants resulted in the alteration of some Halloween lore.)

As with other pre-Christian practices, Samhain was eventually absorbed by the Church. In AD 609 or 610, May 13 was designated as a day to honor the Virgin Mary and the martyred saints. In the eighth century, Pope Gregory III (731-741 then fixed November 1 as the anniversary for all saints (including the martyrs). October 31 became All Hallows' Eve [Hallowmas or Halloween], the evening before All Hallows Day [All Saints Day] on November 1. (The word "hallow" was used in the Middle ages as a synonym for "saint.") Gregory IV (827-844) extended the celebration of All Hallows Day to the entire Church. Read More...

Gotta love those Popes, huh?; 3:25 AM
Michelle said...: To add to this discussion I would also like to list other symbols and holidays that Christians ripped off:

1. The Immaculate Conception of Jesus Christ-stolen from the Greek belief in the legends of Hercules, the hero from Greek mythology.

2. Sunday as the Sabbath-a day of festival for worshipers of the Sun, namely the Mithras.

3. Christmas as the Birth of Christ-Germanic, Roman, Celtic people, and many other cultures celebrated the Winter Solstice. Once a year, they decorated their homes with Holly, mistletoe, Yule logs, and wassail bowls, and decorated trees with ornaments. The word "Yule-tide", actually means "wheel time" (the cycles of time) and is a reference to these celebrations.

4. The Origin of Easter-Easter is derived from pre-Christian celebrations of the Vernal Equinox which occurs on or near March 21 of each year. The name "Easter" is most likely derived from the Great Mother Goddess Eostre, who's name was in turn derived from the ancient word "Eastre", which means Spring. Another possible origin for the term "Easter" is Ostara - the Norse Goddess of fertility. Celebration of Ostara was likewise during the Vernal Equinox, fertility being associated with the flowering of springtime.

Around 200 B.C.E., a cult appeared in Rome centered on Cybele - the Phrygian fertility goddess. Attis, the lover of Cybele, was a god of ever-reviving vegetation. Born of a virgin, Attis died and was reborn annually. The festival began as a day of blood on Black Friday and culminated after three days in a day of rejoicing over the resurrection.

Following the alleged life of Christ, ancient Christians claimed that Satan had created the counterfeit deities Cybele and Attis in advance of the coming of Christ in order to confuse humanity. A more likely explanation, however, is that early Christians had simply borrowed from the earlier legend of Attis and from this developed the resurrection myth of Christ in order to conquer and Christianize the competing belief.

In addition to the holiday itself, the familiar elements and decorations that are normally associated with the Christian Easter are pagan in origin. For example, 'hot cross buns' are derived from the ritualistic bread eaten at the feast of Eostre, the Saxon fertility Goddess. The symbols of the Norse Goddess Ostara were the hare and the egg. Dyed eggs, as symbols of regeneration and fertility, date back to the early ancient Egyptians.

5. Valentine's Day-originally a celebration of sensual pleasure in honor of the Lupercus - the god of fertility. In 496 C.E., Pope Gelasius outlawed the celebration of the "pagan" God Luperus and introduced Saint Valentine as a Christian substitute.

6. The Christian Fish Symbol-an ancient pagan symbol of fertility and sexuality associated with a range of goddeses (Tirgata, Aphrodite, Pelagia, Delphine) from various religions and cults. What looks like a fish is actually an ancient symbol of the female genitalia. When Christians later adopted the ancient symbol, they simply rotated it 90 degrees to make it look less like a vagina and more like a fish.

7. The Christian Cross-the Greek cross of equal length arms. The corpse of Jesus was not depicted on a cross until the 7th century C.E. In these early crucifixion symbols from the 7th century, the cross was in the form of the 'tau' and may have been taken from the Druids who made identical crosses to represent the Thau god. In the original Greek Bible, Jesus was crucified on a "stauros" - a simple vertical pole or "torture stake".

8. The Pentagram-originated with the ancient Celtics. Christians inverted the symbol and associated it with Satan. Originally, however, the pentagram had nothing to do with Satan or with Christianity.

Other ripped off beliefs of Christians:

1. Christian Origins of the United States-the writers of the US Constitution and drafters of the Declaration of Independence - were largely Deists, Agnostics, and Unitarians (rejecting the Trinity).
2. The Cold War Invasion of Christianity in US Government-
With Senator Joe McCarthy attacking the character of anyone with suspicious affiliations and anti-Communist hysteria at its climax, Christians found an opportunity to inject Christian dogma into the US government. The US motto stamped on coins and currency was transformed from the secular "E Pluribus Unum" ("Out of many, one") to the Christian "In God We Trust". In the Pledge of Allegiance of the United States, the words "One nation, indivisible" were transformed to "One nation, under God, indivisible."

3. The Blue Laws as a Mechanism of Christian Control-Still remaining today in at least some of the 50 United States, South Carolina included, are Christian "Blue Laws" designed to force citizens to maintain behavior that conforms to the requirements of the Christian faith. Most of those blue laws that remain today pertain specifically to the behavior of the citizenry on the pagan day of festival that the Christian Church adopted as it's own "Sabbath" - Sunday. Today, however, the blue laws have little to do with the moral behavior of the citizenry - they serve primarily to direct a suitable portion of the citizen's cash flow into Christian Churches. Now they have ATM's for Jesus. (shakes head)

4. The Ten Commandments as 'Good Moral Guidelines'-These guidelines have been manipulated and changed by Christians that they hold no moral merit, accept the commandment to honour your mother and your father. Christian commandments do not take into account other religious beliefs, so therefore do not belong in our public buildings.

Anyways, that was my rant for the week. I am sure there are those that disagree with me, but, if you do your research you will find the answers. Just offering some information to think about.; 4:22 AM
Anonymous said...: Michelle,

You rant so much I thought Claus gave you access to post on the blog. I know, I know.... youre just trying to cover your tracks. I dont think the poster youre arguing with is even still reading the posts. LMAO What a dumbass!

Have you not enough rope already? LMAO; 3:23 PM
Michelle said...: anonymous, we all know what I posted is too much for you to read without a tutor or special assistance, it is ok, you are excused. Now move along so the adults can discuss such matters. Considering you cowards cannot put a name to your posts, really what you write is pointless. I can only hope the person you mentioned did move along, because quite frankly, he/she is a twit. And...anonymous, you just proved yet another point certain people have been making about persons such as yourself. You are too dense to research or debate without insult. You are not here to discuss anything, you just want to stir the shit. That is why you hide behind the anonymous option. If I owned the blog I wouldn't allow anonymous posts. You could be anyone, even those that want to create wind up discussions. Who knows. But, ya know, you can always have the option of not reading, especially if it is too difficult for you to understand. :); 6:07 PM
Anonymous said...: Michelle,

I read your posts just fine. Just because you can use a lot of words, does not mean you know how to use them efficiently. Your ramblings really make no sense to what the thread is about, and remember your friend Muse is real sensitive about that too.
Actions show maturity, Michelle, not words. Your actions show how immature you are.

Why do you need to know my name? Would it make any difference in the statements I make? No. You said, "Considering you cowards cannot put a name to your posts, really what you write is pointless." You do think my posts have very good points since you spend so much time and effort in responding.

You said I am "too dense to research or debate without insult. I love how you democrats attack and insult but cry when its returned to you. Also, Michelle, since youre so smart, how do you research with or without insult? Thats a new one on me. I feel sorry for you that you are exposing what an idiot you are with each word you type.

You said, "But, ya know, you can always have the option of not reading, especially if it is too difficult for you to understand. :) ". Shall I remind you that you dont have to reply? You dont have to read any of the posts OR reply. Instead you reply with novels. LMAO Your novels in the comments section tells me that the things I say have merit, and get to you. You say one thing, but your actions say another Michelle. You seem to dish it but you just cant take it. You are BUSTED!; 11:40 PM
Michelle said...: anonymous No. whatever, the only reason I was replying to you at all was out of boredom on a Saturday night and because I had time to reply. Thankfully, I have alot of work to do this week so I won't be wasting much time on the five or so anonymous people that post to this blog. It really doesn't take much effort to reply to the anonymouses on this blog. It is too easy, I know at least one of you will respond. Which one you are though, after I think about it, does not matter either. For some reason you all seem the same. Like you have no individual thought processes at all. Once again, you missed the point as always. I am not surprised, but I am quite amused by your response. The origin of the blog was about horror programming on tv. What have you posted that has to do with the original post at all? What I posted wouldn't have been a novel if the Christians had not been such thieves through history. You can choose to skip the post. If you are that damn lazy you cannot scroll, it's not my problem. There are millions of blogs, go to others that does not require you to put forth too much energy. (shrugs) The info is there, use it or move on. My actions are immature? Very typical. lol. Get over yourself and grow up.
What is also interesting how you anonymouses keep turning some of the posts into a accusation against religion or stating that it is some democrat conspiracy. The history and facts are there, but you refuse to respond to threads based on facts. This tells me where the root of the anonymous posts are coming from and it is so feckin' hilarious. I guess when your own blogs are so boring you have to seek out The Rattler for attention. (laughing hysterically here) It's ok..Carry on!! pmsl
Let's see, what else can I comment about to make this post even longer, lmao. I love to rant!! (doing the happy dance)
Oh yeah!! Do you have an obsession with Muse or jealous of her or something? Everything you post has a comment about Muse. That is very interesting. She must really strike a nerve with the anonymouses. You even go back to your blog and write about her posts. How very pathetic is that. pmsl. I think some fake conservatives have been busted!!!; 8:30 AM
Anonymous said...: Michelle,

I chose not to take the time to read the same ole shit from you, but since you claim my posts are pointless, I decided to put your last reply into a word counter and see just how little my points matter to you. Its easy, just copy and paste. In a matter of a nanosecond I found you wrote.......

411 words, Michelle. It matters so little to you that you felt compelled to belt out 411 words to tell me just how little you care. This was just the last one and not even one of your long ones. It's JUST a blog. You have a psychotic desire to have the last word.. err... words. I pity you.; 9:01 AM
Michelle said...: lol carry on...; 9:20 AM
Anonymous said...: LOL Jay, you make me laugh.

Good post.; 3:33 PM
Michelle said...: Jay you just proved how very juvenile you are. Happy now? It seems to me you can't handle the truth. You are right Jay, I do protest. I'm American, I stand up for what I believe in. I have never pushed a sign in anyones face Sir! At least I don't sit on my ass in Paltalk all day defending dumbasses and pedophiles. Is the truth too much for you to handle Jay? It seems when someone brings facts to you, you simply try to insult. Is it because you can't handle the truth or someone speaking out, especially a woman? The things I posted are not made up fantasy, it is history, reality, someplace you do not live. You live in a fantasy world of changing history to suit your political or religious agenda. (proving yet another point I was trying to make) I do not need to do that. There are still history books available to tell the truth. Thankfully you have not burned them so you can rewrite history. Btw, I never said I was atheist. Where did you get that Jay??? You didn't even address the content of what I posted. Concentrate on that and not my life or actions. If you want to disprove what I posted, then do that.It is none of your business how I live my life. It is none of your business how and what I worship. If I want to worship a feckin' rock and call it Lord Obediah, I will. That is what America is about! I also would not kill thousands of people to convert them to any religious beliefs I may have.
And.. Jay, why don't you fuck off and leave the sheep alone!!; 4:59 PM
Anonymous said...: Well Michelle you bring up another subject.

" I also would not kill thousands of people to convert them to any religious beliefs I may have."

That is precicely what the Muslims are trying to do. You know, the ones you protect and defend by trying to stop what Bush is doing about terrorism?; 5:18 PM
Michelle said...: Now that is the real joke, pmsl. Bush is doing something about terrorism???? ROFLMAO That is the joke of the century!! Next...

Even if the Muslims are doing it, it does not justify the past, nor does it excuse the past.; 6:29 PM