HOW DOES THAT FOOT TASTE?

I just spoke on mic in 2 Way, explaining to the neocons that democracy isn't a panacea. As we just saw in the Palestinian elections, in a broken society, with no security and an angry population, the likelihood is that the people will vote for a strongman who will either save them from harm or fulfill their violent revenge fantasies. It seems like these PT wingnuts hold on to "democratic elections" like a fetish even when allowing elections in the absence of a secure society is going to leave us with a government in Iraq that might be more of a danger to us in the long run than Saddam.

Now, I finish up, and pass the mic to saltspring, the harbinger of "Peeance and Freeance" from the great white north. And this is what he says:

saltspring: "Well, you know, the Germans elected Hitler the first time around in their elections..."

Uh....what? Hello, moron, you just made my point a thousand times better than I ever could. Here's saltspring, who daily wraps himself in a 3-layered Canadian/American/Iraqi flag, (Man, it must get really cold up there) a man who tries to tell us how much his heart bleeds for the Iraqis, how proud he is they voted, who can barely speak through his tears about purple thumbs. Well, thanks, salty. If you ever listened to yourself, you'd have heard a wise man tell us why we should fear elections in Iraq: Because they may well elect their own Hitler.

JC

THUNDER DOWN UNDER

John Howard has exceeded himself in his hypocritical and unsubstantiated attack on history teaching. Our racist past a "caricature"? Perhaps he just wants us to forget the White Australia policy, Aborigines not being citizens until the 1960s, the ongoing insult of terra nullius, or Mr Howard's own anti-Asian comments of the late 80s. He attacks the teaching profession for its alleged "relativism," even though Mr Howard thinks it's okay for himself and George Bush to attack another country without provocation, all the time sweeping aside voices of caution and consideration. The final insult is his dismissing the need for a Bill of Rights, due to the potential for "misinterpretation." He can remove our rights all over the place with very poor and broadly-interpretable laws, but anything protecting us is unacceptable. School history taught me to never take on face value anything a politician says, and has alerted me to the cynicism and totalitarian nature of the media management our major parties engage in. No wonder he hates history teaching: it shows the kids what slime our leaders are when they can appreciate the similarities between our own governments and those evil governments of days past.( from www.crikey.com.au )

DIMINISHING RETURNS

I don't know why I even bother anymore. I wasted half the morning being bathed in the spurious flume of right-wing spew that gushes from SnsualSingerDEN. The man was actually still trying to sell the sadly debunked and pitifully ineffective spin that Valerie Plame wasn't a NOC at the CIA. Don't even get me started on this an_enigma guy. Is english even his first language? He asks questions with pathetic faux-incisiveness that makes me wonder if he only this morning emerged from a decade's hybernation. Can someone save me from liars and fools? Who am I kidding, this is PT we're talking about.

JC

THE LIBERATION OF MAINSTREAM

I haven't been back in Mainstream since this new development, but if you ask me, and by being here at all you kind of are asking me, I say there's nothing better than erratic and unpredictale behavior that results in much carnage and bloodbathery. Metaphorically speaking, of course.

JC

BREAKING NEWS.........

Mainstream Policitcs owns Pepsiman_cr has made his mainstream room a Democratic and Liberial talk room only! This shocking news is beeling delivered as we speak as many neocon mainstays were tossed out in record numbers last night. I was there live as it happened. One only as to wonder what kind of effect this will have on Social Issues as a whole. More to come on this developing story.

MORE EVIDENCE ELECTION 2004 WAS FRAUDULENT

Take a look at this, just released this week:

(PRWEB) January 17, 2006 -- There is significant controversy about whether the 2004 presidential election was conducted fairly and its votes counted correctly. According to results of the major national election exit poll conducted for the National Election Pool by Edison/Mitofsky (E/M), Kerry won Ohio's pivotal vote, though the official tally gave the state, and thus the presidency, to Bush. The conduct of Ohio's election was formally debated by Congress in January 2005.

...

The number of significant discrepancies and the pattern of Ohio's discrepancy shown in the NEDA report provide strong support for the conclusion that vote count errors converted a Kerry win to a Bush win.

The evidence is irrefutable. Republican chicanery and vote fraud DURING THE VOTE TABULATION ITSELF changed the outcome. Democracy anyone?

JC

A BUNCH OF RANDOM THOUGHTS..........

1. I jumped in MAINSTREAM this morning and man, oh, man i though i was warped into the middle of the looney bin. My old enemy xxxmwxxx was spouting his trash about how 85% of america is allowing the president destroy our country by voting in elections. I nearly fell out of my chair after seeing this in text and hearing it in the room by xxxmwxxx. Man, i wondered how dare he stomp on our God given right to choose our leaders for offices of high authority.
Our vote is our voice in the goverment process. Granted, i dont like the current president and I doubt he was elected in fair elections, but, i know that it will not happen again because the issue is out there and i believe that when the 2006 congress is in session, this problem will be dealt with. Having said that i vote XXXMWXX and his cliq DUMBASSES OF THE DAY.

2. As far as daydream policitcs goes...i have not had any problems when i vist there and i do a friendship with a few in there. I do feel bad that Ducky and JC are banned, however i will remain neutral in this battle between them and Daydream.

HYPOCRITICAL CONSERVATISM, NOT JUST A LABEL!

Hypocritical Conservative, what is it?

For 2 days, I was not allowed into the DayDream Politics room. Its admins, headed by Recovered Atheist and Tocsa banned me because I supported Saint Casey NY.

From the last time I was in that room, I remember in the banner Free Speech was advertised and Liberalism was spouted. I know others are banned from this room; thus, the “Hypocritical” is well suited.

I’ve heard people talk about unity within the liberal party on Paltalk. I ask the question; how can we unite when certain factions of the so-called liberal people on Paltalk support terrorism, suppression of speech and anti-homosexuality?

When I first met Recovered Atheist I was called a “Fag.” This blatant homophobic behavior should not be allowed in the liberal rooms, let alone in the liberal Paltalk party.

People advocating the killing of Americans and others should also not be allowed!

Suppression Speech should not be allowed!

If people are true liberals and hold true values they would denounce behavior such as this!

However, some people Do Not!

This brings me to the conclusion that those who support Tosca, RecoveredAtheist, or BobbyMcgee and their friends are not Liberals but Conservatives.
Now its not just throwing a label on them, it’s stating the obvious. Everything we fought for in the past 3 years, with trying to get rid of George Bush and trying to crush Neoconism because of reasons, such as, suppressing dissent and anti-homosexualism is being crushed by people who claim to be Liberals.

This is exactly what gives the “real” conservatives fuel for their fire. Its people who support terrorist activity that makes the Neocons think that all liberals support terrorism. To prove my point look at this link; http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/01/20.html#a6792

Banning people from rooms is definitely not a Liberal Value. Crushing dissent views within a party is also not a Liberal value. Lastly, homophobic remarks are not a Liberal. All those things are Conservative values or Libertarian values.
Now, if you’re a Conservative or a Libertarian this blog doesn’t apply to you. But if you claim to be Liberal, I think its time to deeply search for your values but cause you just might be a Hypocritical Conservative

I CAN'T BE THE ONLY ONE

Does anyone care what Tweetle_dumbshit did in Somalia? Who gives a fuck what he does? Did one of you make the mistake of asking him, "Hey, tweet, how's life?" If I find out which one of you it was, I'm gonna punch you really hard in the shoulder.

JC

HOLD THAT DUCK

I agree completely with Ducky about Daydream, with one caveat: Daydream is by no means a Conservative room, and we should be careful not to simply slap on the label we despise most to every room we can't stand. Let's not sink to the level of having our "Two Minutes Hate", screaming red-faced obscenities from spit-flecked lips. Daydream isn't to the right at all. At least not in the same way the Robert E. Lee Birthday Commemoration room is.

My problem with the room is that they are too tolerant of hatred and too sympathetic to violence. Now, I have no problem with discussing the Israel/Palestine issue with reasonable people. But if you spend any time in Social Issues, you know that we have at least one person (Bobby McGee), who has on more than one occasion called for, supported, and even pledged himself to the killing of Israelis in service to his cause (and, yes, Connie, I have heard him say it myself, so you can save your lies and nonsense).

That is where Daydream gets critically derailed. Honestly, I've learned to just tune it out, but rabid ideologues ruin that room far more often than they should be allowed to, and I know many people on PT agree with me.

JC

DAYDREAM COPY CAT!

Free Speech, I doubt it!

Daydream Politics advertises as a Free Speech room and an Open room, with friendly admins that care about people and politics.

Well I’m here to tell you that’s BullSh*t!

I’m one of about 20 people banned from Daydream Politics because I do not support terrorist. I’m banned because I support Free Speech. I’m banned because I’m Bayarea1979.

This shows that Daydream Politics is not a Free Speech room and if you dissent you are bound to be banned. Bound to be banned because you have values and principles that are civilized.
The Hypocrite room is filled with hypocritical adminns.

DayDream Politics is just another Conservative room, living in a Bubble, that does not allow different views in.
To the readers, DayDream Politics is just another VOO copy cat room, don’t be fooled!

ITS ABOUT TIME

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B51A8CB24-1BFE-4F63-84DB-951FC5D7FE8C%7D&siteid=google


Democrats offer lobby reform planGOP rule has allowed 'tree of corruption,' leader says

By William L. Watts, MarketWatchLast Update: 5:12 PM ET Jan. 18, 2006
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Democratic lawmakers on Wednesday unveiled legislation that would ban members of Congress from receiving gifts and meals, and would shut down a GOP program that promotes the hiring of Republican lobbyists.
A federal probe into the activities of Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff, who has promised to cooperate with prosecutors, has ensured that efforts to tighten the rules that govern how lobbyists interact with lawmakers will be at center stage as Congress begins its 2006 session.
Democrats say the Abramoff probe has exposed a "culture of corruption" that has taken root amid Republican control of both houses of Congress. The Democratic proposal comes a day after House GOP leaders offered their own package of lobbying restrictions. See full story.
"Republicans have been and continue to resist true reform because they all benefit from enabling the culture of corruption" said House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi of California. "Republicans have allowed this poison tree of corruption to bear the fruit of very bad policy for the American people."
Hastert on Tuesday argued that neither Republicans nor Democrats can afford to be self-righteous.
"I think certainly raising money by either party is certainly not foreign to this place," Hastert said. "But we want to make sure that any raising of money is -- first of all, there is transparency to it, that there's an accountability to it."
The Abramoff probe already has forced Rep. Robert Ney, R-Ohio, to step aside temporarily as chairman of the House Administration Committee. Abramoff's plea agreement refers to a congressman, identified in news reports as Ney, who accepted lavish trips, meals and other items in return for official acts. Ney has denied any wrongdoing.
Ties to Abramoff have prompted several lawmakers, as well as President Bush, to give away campaign donations he supplied. They also forced former House majority leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, to give up on plans to return to GOP leadership -- prompting a three-way race for the caucus' No. 2 position, to be decided Feb. 2.
Republicans have argued that Democrats haven't been untouched by scandal allegations.
Although no Democrats received personal donations from Abramoff, some Democratic lawmakers, including Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., received campaign donations from Abramoff clients.
The Democratic proposals sought to capitalize on the Abramoff probe by naming specific provisions after figures tied to the investigation.
A provision named the "Tony Rudy reform" would aim to close the "revolving door" between government and lobbying firms by strengthening the ban on lobbying by former lawmakers and staff members after they leave government service. Democrats named the measure after a former DeLay aide who later worked for Abramoff.
Another provision, called the "Jack Abramoff Reform," would ban the receipt of gifts, including gifts of meals, entertainment and travel, from lobbyists. Abramoff has said he provided such gifts and other inducements to lawmakers in return for official acts.
The Democratic proposal would also aim to shutter programs such as the "K Street Project," a Republican program championed by DeLay that encouraged corporations, trade associations and other interests to hire lobbyists with Republican ties. K Street is the address for many of the capital's top lobbying firms.
Reid had sharp criticism for the project, and ridiculed Senate Republicans for appointing Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., who Democrats say is a top GOP liaison to the lobbying community, to head their reform efforts.
"To have someone who is as responsible as anyone in the world for the K Street Project, Mr. Santorum, stand in this Capitol and say that he and his pal Tom DeLay and others are going to reform Congress is like saying we're going to put [Michael Brown] back in charge of FEMA," Reid said.
Reid, who has been criticized by Republicans for accepting donations from Abramoff clients, also cited an ongoing probe into Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist's stock sales as part of the GOP "culture of corruption."
Frist responded with a statement that accused Reid of offering "more partisan rhetoric than reform."
"Sen. Reid and Senate Democrats should work with us to develop meaningful bipartisan solutions -- rather than engaging in divisive partisan politics that will further erode, rather than strengthen, public confidence and trust in America's elected officials," Frist said.
The Republican proposal outlined Tuesday by Hastert and House Rules Committee Chairman David Dreier, R-Calif., included provisions that would tighten restrictions on gifts and would ban all privately-funded travel for lawmakers.
William L. Watts is a reporter for MarketWatch.

"OH NO YOU DIDN'T GIRLFRIEND"

Oh no you didn’t! Well………..Yes we did!

Someone once said, “What a difference a day makes.” Today could not be more of the truth!

The tables have turned and the Hypocrites received a taste of their own medicine. Today in MainStream Politics (again), the biggest Hypocrite on Paltalk was bounced. Bounced because she was telling lies and defending a well-known advocate of violence. As usually, she whined like a little girl and was let back in. She was let back in because MainStream Politics (again) holds a higher moral standard than other rooms.

During the bounce the “get along gang” lead by Tosca, tried to attack the admin, ProPeace, with hate filled remarks. *Side note: remember folks, these are the same people who while on the mic talk about Compassion, Tolerance, and get this, Peace….Laughing out Loud!

This is what I am talking about with Hypocrites. There are 3 faces of Paltalkers, the Liberals, Conservatives and Hypocrites. The Liberals are for change, the Conservatives are for keeping things the same, the Hypocrites are for…..umm….umm…..well, only god knows!
One thing I do know is that the Hypocrites will tear you to shreds if you do not follow in Lockstep with their inconsistent agenda.

Now that I think of it the Hypocrites are more similar to Conservatives than they are with the Liberals. Both put down the diversity of ideas, both bash the opposition, and both tell lies to gather support.

Readers beware! The Hypocrites are lurking in the shadows waiting for you to oppose them. Do not be worried because it is my duty to defend the Liberal people and point out their falsehoods.

Till next time!

WHAT A DOWNER FOR DOWNER

ALEXANDER DOWNER, Australias foreign Minister in fishnet stockings, the work experience kid, is caught out in another example of incompetence and corruption. The Australian Wheat Board, which is a privatised ex-government exporter, was funneling kick-backs to Saddam in the form of inflated "transport costs" This should come as no surprise, it's the way everyone was doing business. After Iraq was invaded, Australias wheat sales contracts were coveted by USA (some allies) I surmise that Australia simply out-bribed USA for what was our rightful market anyway. http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17856071-2,00.html

LIBERALS, CONSERVATIVES, HYPOCRITES

Today was a tough day for me! I went into a White Supremacy room defended my peeps and I was kicked out. I went into a liberal room and defended the Democratic Party and I was kicked out.

Now on Pal talk there are 3 types of people, Liberals (like myself), Conservatives (like Moderate Conservative) and Hypocrites (like Connie Chung, Tosca, and Bobby McGee).
The liberals fight and defend Freedom, Democracy, and Peace. The Conservatives advocate violence, torture, and rape. Hypocrites foster both!

Now, you may all know that Conservatives cannot be trusted, but you may not know that Hypocrites are in the same boat.
They are inconsistent with their ideologies and agenda. In one sentence they proclaim peace and in the other they advocate the killing of Americans. In their rooms they post in the header FREE SPEECH, than kick anyone out who disagrees with them. On the mic they shout Freedom fighter, in the text they write Terrorist.

Today I stood up against factions, the Conservative White Power and the Hypocritical Daydream political room. I was kicked out from both because I care about people and I love America.
If being an American is wrong, I don’t want to be right

THE GREAT MALL OF CHINA

By the time this toddler reaches adulthood, The world will be radically different. China is ALREADY radically different. In a social experiment on a grand scale, the "one child policy" coupled with the undesireability of having girl babies has created an artificial demographic..... An entire generation (mostly boys) has been spoiled rotten by doting parents. An avalanche of affluence is about engulf China with all the problems that means for the rest of the planet.

Chinas economy is far bigger than previously estimated. New figures suggested it had probably passed France, Italy and Britain to become the world's fourth-largest economy. China revised its economic data Tuesday (DEC 20 2005) after a yearlong nationwide economic census uncovered about $280 billion in hidden economic output in China for 2004. The amount is roughly equivalent to an economy the size of Turkey or Indonesia, or 40 percent of India's economy.

Economists say there is little doubt now that China is a full-fledged economic superpower.China has also been accumulating foreign currency reserves at a very high rate over the past few years. By the end of 2006 China could have ONE TRILLION in foreign currency reserves, much of it in US TREASURY NOTES! Other experts are moving forward their forecasts of when China might overtake the United States as the world's largest economy. Some have advanced their estimation to about 2035, from 2040.

MOTHERSBRULE-ABRAMOFF

MothersBrule, an admitted republican, has finally spilled the Beans on Paltalk.

MothersBrule told everyone that she once was a Jack Abramoff Client and is saddend that her friend is going to jail.

Its to bad that other people don't go to jail with him (hint hint)

WHERE HAVE I BEEN?

In case people haven't noticed...i've been away from the paltalk programs to devote my time in getting people to regiester to vote for the upcoming 2006 election. So far, i have 125 people ready to vote. More to come later...

HE KINDA DUMB, HUH?

So, ran into jay_156 this morning. And sure, I'm a little groggy. Haven't slept in 24 hours. Kinda punchy. But this was too much fun to pass up. Let me warn you, this is a long conversation, but it's worth the ride, I assure you:

Jesus Claus: jay, do you know how many pork projects were earmarked on bills in the worst days of the Dem congress?
Jesus Claus: about 60
Jesus Claus: know how many the Reps do?
Jesus Claus: over 3000
jay_156: cough cough...bullshit claus
jay_156: 60 lol
jay_156: ok
Jesus Claus: jay, it is fact
jay_156: its not a fact at all
Jesus Claus: reported by the Boston Trib
jay_156: there is pork in every bill passed
Jesus Claus: and reps had far, far more
Jesus Claus: a disgusting amount from reps
jay_156: so the repubs passed more bills...therefore they passed more pork?
Jesus Claus: domestic discretionary spending has ballooned under reps
jay_156: is that your logic?
Jesus Claus: is your reading comp shot, jay?
Jesus Claus: 3000 earmarks
Jesus Claus: vs 60
jay_156: and you got this info where Claus?
Jesus Claus: special report in a Boston newspaper
Jesus Claus: i'll get it for you
jay_156: in a newspaper from where?
jay_156: wait...wait....newspaper from where?
Jesus Claus: from where?
jay_156: lol
jay_156: comeon Claus
Jesus Claus: you haven't heard of Boston?
Jesus Claus: big city, hard to miss
jay_156: lol...save it claus...I think I can guess what it says
Jesus Claus: ok, try this out
Jesus Claus: has spending increased under reps, yes or no?
Jesus Claus: do you know at least that much?
jay_156: fuck off Claus....I was willing to talk to you...you're being a condescending little prick...talk to yourself
Jesus Claus: jay, go read this: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/10/03/back_room_dealing_a_capitol_trend?pg=full
Jesus Claus: tell me that's how you want government run
jay_156: I dont read lib propaganda
Jesus Claus: this isn't propaganda
Jesus Claus: it's a special report in a major paper
jay_156: nothing balanced comes out of Boston

I really hate this crap. Hey, I know conservatives lie a lot, but I at least read what they write before dismissing it. jay won't even look at it. So, in a bit, I decide to get sneaky and hit him with Rich Lowry's new Op-Ed in the National Review that slams the GOP over Abramoff.

Jesus Claus: if you dismiss all contradictory info, you will never learn anything
jay_156: kind of like how you consider fox to be trustworthy Claus?
Jesus Claus: fine, then make no factual claims in here, jay
Jesus Claus: don't say anything that can be factually challenged
Jesus Claus: because i accept nothing from any source you cite
jay_156: Claus...you cant claim something based on information gathered only from biased papers in biased parts of the country
Jesus Claus: these are the rules you want to play by
Jesus Claus: why don't you read the damn thing?
Jesus Claus: i at least read reports from fox
jay_156: I dont have too...its a boston paper
jay_156: I know what it says
Jesus Claus: especially simple factual reporting
Jesus Claus: jay, jay jay, the Boston Herald is conservative
Jesus Claus: it's a Murdoch paper
jay_156: nothing in boston is conservative
jay_156: lol
Jesus Claus: dude, you're an idiot
Ella Menopee: I guess Jay never heard the phrase "banned in Boston"
jay_156: conservative to you means that they dont claim the government did 911
Ella Menopee: I guess he wasn't alive during integration movement days
Jesus Claus: jackass, Murdoch owns Fox
Jesus Claus: goddamn, you're a moron
jay_156: Claus....fuck you little kid
Jesus Claus: i read conservative stuff all the fucking time
jay_156: you think you know it all
Jesus Claus: and you're just retarded
jay_156: you bring nothing but biased bullshit to the table
Jesus Claus: can't even read something from a CITY, you fucking pansy
Ella Menopee: Jay... man, you even embarass the dumber conservatives... you don't know what in hell you're talking about.
jay_156: fuck you and fuck your boston globe bullshit
Jesus Claus: if it came from a blue state, you're too much of a coward to read it
jay_156: who are you Ella?
Jesus Claus: go run along and piss yourself, pansyboy
Ella Menopee: I am the truth fairy Jay
blues2: yeah Ella who the hell are you...loooooooooooooooooooooooool!!!!!!!!
jay_156: Claus...bring somethign to the table that isnt painfully lib
jay_156: just once
Ella Menopee: and I am considering bonging you on the head with my wand
5of7: Grunto is an american ICON
Jesus Claus: this guy is a freaking imbecile
jay_156: Claus...go back to class
5of7: its called GRUNTOISM
jay_156: you're going to get detention
Jesus Claus: ok, how about the National Review?
Jesus Claus: hmm?
5of7: JAYS a gruntoite
Jesus Claus: how about an op-ed by Rich Lowry of the National Review?
jay_156: what bullshit are you pushing today claus???
Jesus Claus: what bullshit?
Jesus Claus: i'll show you
jay_156: what fucking topic are you pushing today Claus?
jay_156: what is today's bashing point prick?
jay_156: what fucking piece of garbage have you dug up today to kick Claus?
jay_156: what is your point today Claus?
Jesus Claus: go read this, jay: http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200601100816.asp
jay_156: lets get this out of the way so I can move on with my day
Jesus Claus: please go read
Jesus Claus: just that one thing
Jesus Claus: and tell me what you think

Ok, I didn't mention the verbal abuse, but what can I say; wingnuts bring out the worst in me.

Ella Menopee: Jay ... If you'd shut up and READ or listen, you'd know what Claus was talking about today. Are you really to stupid to know that in a chat room, you have to read and listen?
Jesus Claus: ella, have you seen that op-ed?
Jesus Claus: that is the most conservative of conservative saying that Reps need to take responsibility for Abramoff
jay_156: great Claus...you found a conservative that somewhat agrees with you
Jesus Claus: somewhat?
jay_156: I can find you 10 more that dont claus
jay_156: so what does that prove Claus?
Jesus Claus: yeah, 10 craven wingnuts
jay_156: of course craven wingnuts....anyone that doesnt agree with you is one
Jesus Claus: oh really?
jay_156: whats your point Claus?
Jesus Claus: can you find a flaw in what Lowry said?
jay_156: make your point Claus...so I can move on to debating grownups
Jesus Claus: how would you counter that?
jay_156: yeah, Im shocked that politicians took money from lobbyists Claus....
Jesus Claus: you're barely keeping your head above water here
jay_156: are you really that young and naive?
Jesus Claus: jay, this isn't about contributions
Jesus Claus: it;'s about bribes, you jackass
Jesus Claus: are you so stupid not to understand this?
Jesus Claus: holy shit, you're really lost here, aren't you?
jay_156: do you have to be an asshole Claus?
jay_156: I mean seriously...is it beyond your capability to actually discuss something like an adult?
Jesus Claus: i match my opponent's attitude
jay_156: you cant match anything about this opponent
Jesus Claus: when they are petulant and closeminded, i get a little heated
jay_156: but...I come down to teach you some times
Jesus Claus: ok, we get it, you're condescending
Jesus Claus: but what is your argument?
blues2: rofl jay "teaches" JC!!!....dream on jay
jay_156: facts....both sides took bribes....both sides have corruption....both sides go back and forth when it comes to winning elections
Jesus Claus: no, not the case
Jesus Claus: no dems are named as taking briibes here
Jesus Claus: and you have yet to explain what purpose there is in bribing the minority
jay_156: politics in this country are one big cluster fuck Claus...when you've lived longer than 16 years you'll figure that out
Jesus Claus: well, we seem to agree that there is corruption
Jesus Claus: so, you just relax, and we'll get rid of the infection
jay_156: but we disagree that your side is run by white nights...
jay_156: Claus...you cant get rid of infection with more infection
Jesus Claus: my side doesn't out CIA agents
Jesus Claus: or spy without warrants
jay_156: your side outs all kinds of efforts to keep this country safe
Jesus Claus: nonsense
jay_156: Claus....you're too young
Jesus Claus: do you really think Al Qaida doesn't know we wiretap them?
jay_156: you dont know
Jesus Claus: i remember Nixon
jay_156: you think your side is noble
Jesus Claus: and the Church commission
Jesus Claus: every time your side does shit like this, we have to clean it up
jay_156: you think your side is fighting for good and justice
jay_156: they arent
Jesus Claus: i have no illusions about the dems
jay_156: and after a couple of terms we have to come in and "clean up" your shit
Jesus Claus: what shit?
jay_156: its one big cluster fuck Claus

Now we start a long argument on Clinton's budget surpluses. For reference, CBO numbers show a clear move into surplus under Clinton. Even if you quibble over how the number is calculated, or remove the SS surplus, Clinton still had positive numbers. That is, you could have such an argument with someone who understands the concepts of surplus, deficit, and debt, which jay apparently does not...

Jesus Claus: budget surpluses?
Jesus Claus: stains on dresses?
Jesus Claus: is your sense of proportion a little messed up?
jay_156: not one budget surplus...you dont base suplusses on projections
Jesus Claus: yes, there was a 236.4 bn dollar ACTUAL surplus in 2000
jay_156: no there wasnt
jay_156: ask anyone with half a fucking clue about the economy
Jesus Claus: there was a real, genuine federal budget surplus
Jesus Claus: wanna bet?
jay_156: ok Claus...impossible to debate someone who is in la la land
Jesus Claus: i'll bet you that, as the govt figures the budget, there was a 236.4 bn dollar budget surplus
Jesus Claus: in 200
Jesus Claus: +0
Jesus Claus: wanna bet me?
jay_156: as I said...the government used projections
Jesus Claus: nope, actual figures
jay_156: which they use all the time to figure out budgets
Jesus Claus: 236.4 bn
Jesus Claus: wanna bet?
jay_156: if that is true...why should the government have 236.4 billion of our money?
jay_156: extra ?
Jesus Claus: to pay down the federal debt, maybe?
jay_156: that is a good thing to you Claus?
Jesus Claus: jay, there is still a debt
jay_156: well there was no debt Claus
Jesus Claus: right?
jay_156: you said there was a surplus
Jesus Claus: uh...do you understand these concepts?
jay_156: why would the governement need to continue to take my money if they had a surplus?
Jesus Claus: because of the federal debt!
Jesus Claus: it was like 4 trillion
Ella Menopee: Jay... I hope your wife is the one who pays the bills in your house
jay_156: you said there was a surplus?
Jesus Claus: there was!
jay_156: which is it...was there a debt in 2000 or was there a surplus?>
Jesus Claus: there was a 4 trillion dollar accrued debt
jay_156: so there was still debt
Jesus Claus: and a 236.4 bn ONE YEAR surplus
jay_156: oh...so still debt...just more lib spin
jay_156: thanks for being honest though Claus
Jesus Claus: jay, can iexplain something to you?
Jesus Claus: ok, just listen, ok?
jay_156: Claus...Im smarter than you...I destroy spin
blues2: more lib spin?????????????....ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus Claus: the federal govt is allowed to run a deficit, right?
jay_156: you cant do it dude, guys smarter than you have tried
jay_156: you cant spin me claus
Ella Menopee: Jay... you can have extra money in your monthly budget at home..... but still have credit card debt or a car to pay off right???
Jesus Claus: so, if I run a 100 bn dollar deficit each year for 10 years, how much is my total debt, jay?
jay_156: yes...but then you call it debt Ella, not surplus
Jesus Claus: can you answer me, jay, please?
jay_156: Claus, has been arguing that the libs had a surplus when they left
jay_156: and really....they left debt
Jesus Claus: they DID
jay_156: overall debt
Jesus Claus: jay, please answer me
jay_156: not one year surplus
jay_156: but overall debt
Jesus Claus: yesm surplus or deficit is within one year!!!
Ella Menopee: Its surplus budget money Jay.... which should then be used to good purpose, just like your monthly surplus in budget would be used to pay the cc debt or the car note down further.
jay_156: who gives a fuck about one year?
Jesus Claus: surplus or deficit is if revenues either fall short of or exceed expenditures
Jesus Claus: Jesus Claus: so, if I run a 100 bn dollar deficit each year for 10 years, how much is my total debt, jay?
Jesus Claus: jay, please answer that
Jesus Claus: how much is my debt, jay?
jay_156: lets see....10billiion each year for 10 years....and your still an asshole....well, that makes for a lot of money and a lib asshole that thinks he can spin me into a corner LOL
jay_156: whats your fucking point claus
Jesus Claus: no, 100 bn a year, 10 years, and please answer
jay_156: your mom
jay_156: whats your point?
Jesus Claus: i'm trying to educate you
jay_156: your trying to be an asshole
jay_156: and you are doing a good job
Jesus Claus: no, i'm genuinely not
jay_156: I dont need you to educate me prick
Jesus Claus: i just want to explain this to you
Jesus Claus: just let me explain this, ok?
Jesus Claus: please answer
jay_156: you and I both know what you're trying to say
Jesus Claus: and that is what?
Jesus Claus: what am i trying to say?
jay_156: and you and I both know what the OUTCOME was
Jesus Claus: and what was that?
jay_156: not the lib bullshit spin...not the projected totals
Jesus Claus: projected totals of what?
jay_156: not the one year surplus bullshit
Jesus Claus: but that's what a surplus is
Jesus Claus: a surplus is when revenues exceed expenditures
Jesus Claus: that's what a surplus is
jay_156: claims of the elimination of all national debt was bullshit smokescreen from democrats
Jesus Claus: no one ever claimed that
jay_156: its been proven...and gone over
Jesus Claus: did you think that's what i was claiming?
Jesus Claus: jay, a surplus allows us to PAY DOWN accrued debt
jay_156: so if you cant claim that....who fucking cares
jay_156: you left with debt
Jesus Claus: if we run up a national debt of 4 trillion, then a surplus lets us pay it down
jay_156: so when you can eliminate a debt then call me back
Jesus Claus: we did
jay_156: you didnt eliminate shit
Jesus Claus: the 236.4 bn was applied against the debt
Jesus Claus: it lowered the debt by 236.4 bn
jay_156: yes....4 trillion-236.4 billion
Jesus Claus: which saved us interest
jay_156: = pissing in the wind
jay_156: congrats Claus....you pissed in the wind
jay_156: do you want a pat on the back?
Jesus Claus: yeah, that's like a 1/16th reduction
blues2: JC you will never ever get through to jay
Jesus Claus: 236.4 bn is a little less than 1/16th of 4 tn
jay_156: do you really expect great fucking whoopdedoos for that Claus?
Jesus Claus: that's a lot of money
jay_156: to you and me yes....to the debt....pissing in the wind
Jesus Claus: what if the interest was, say 10%, jay
jay_156: pissing in the wind Claus
Jesus Claus: 10% of 236.4 bn is 23.64 bn
jay_156: more of the same
Jesus Claus: 23.64 bn dollars!
jay_156: ONE BIG CLUSTER FUCK CLAUS
Jesus Claus: that's a lot of money, jay
Jesus Claus: do you have that kind of money?
Jesus Claus: you must be pretty rich to scoff at 23 bn dollars
jay_156: the people of this country decided that they werent willing to be oppressed by taxes so that some of you libs could be proud about pissing in the wind Claus
Tom Joad: when was the last time that a Republican Administration paid anything on the National Debt?
Jesus Claus: but it cost the govt billions in interest
Jesus Claus: paying down the debt helps the economy, jay
jay_156: does it?
Jesus Claus: having a huge debt matters jay
Jesus Claus: yeah, it really does, jay
Jesus Claus: that's lost money

You see how I tried? I was being really good. Well, kind of good. But he just didn't understand. I consider it a personal failure for myself as a teacher. I could not convey the idea that you could accrue a debt over the years of a trillion dollars, and yet have a surplus in a given year that you can use to pay down the debt. I suspected that much of jay's confusion arises from an inability to grasp simple concepts, but he goes on to demonstrate that this problem runs far deeper than that...

jay_156: taxing the people to the point of oppression helps the economy Claus?
Jesus Claus: who is oppressed?
Jesus Claus: who?
jay_156: everyone who made any taxable income under clinton Claus
Jesus Claus: most people don't even pay federal income taxes, jay
Jesus Claus: no, clinton only raised the top two brackets
jay_156: more was paid during the Clinton years than any other president in the past 100
Jesus Claus: he lowered the rest
Jesus Claus: yeah, and the economy boomed
jay_156: and thats bullshit Claus...my personal taxes were much higher under Clinton
Jesus Claus: jay, do you know what median household income is?
Jesus Claus: for a family of 4?
jay_156: 63,000 something like that
Jesus Claus: no, sorry
Jesus Claus: around 40,000
jay_156: um yeah
jay_156: it is actually
Jesus Claus: no, it isn't
Jesus Claus: it's around 40,000
jay_156: ok great.. Claus
Jesus Claus: so, 2 earners, 40k, do they pay federal income taxes?
jay_156: fuck off claus...
Jesus Claus: does someone making 20k pay federal taxes?
jay_156: who the fuck cares?
jay_156: seriously dude who fucking cares?
Jesus Claus: if you made 20k, you'd care
Jesus Claus: i expect you'd care a lot
jay_156: If I made 20k Id hang myself
Jesus Claus: i see
jay_156: I dont make 20k....highschool kids make 20k
neteru: jesus in canada you do, i don't know about usa
jay_156: Im an adult with a real job
Jesus Claus: so, poor people should just...what?
blues2: WHAT A COMPLETE MORON JAY IS
Jesus Claus: fuck off and die?
jay_156: go to school and stop bitching
Jesus Claus: with what money?
Tom Joad: can you say "thank you, Mr Bu$h"
Liz Dewitt: Jay is a losing battle
Jesus Claus: i make 20k, i should pay for college?
Jesus Claus: how?
jay_156: pay attention in school
Jesus Claus: how do i pay for college, jay?
jay_156: pay attention in school
Jesus Claus: in high school?
jay_156: dont make d's and F's
jay_156: yes
Jesus Claus: and then what?
Jesus Claus: what then?
jay_156: take advantage of your scholarships
Jesus Claus: i have a high school diploma
jay_156: and loans like everyone else
Jesus Claus: scholarships and loans that Bush has cut?
Jesus Claus: get a Pell grant?
Jesus Claus: can't do it, Bush cut them
jay_156: yep,,, no one is going to college this year Claus
Jesus Claus: no one is?
Jesus Claus: or fewer people are?
jay_156: you got it claus...no one is going to college this year
jay_156: nope...you're fucking right Claus
Jesus Claus: so, we cut grants and loans, jay?
jay_156: Bush has fucked every single college bound student
Jesus Claus: that's how we help people?
jay_156: taken all teh money away
jay_156: you're right Claus
Jesus Claus: did i say all?
jay_156: its all fucking ruined
Jesus Claus: i said he cut the programs
Jesus Claus: is that what we should do for poor students?
jay_156: we need a democrat in here so that all can be fixed
jay_156: you convinced me
Jesus Claus: cut their grants and loans?
jeeperscreepers2004: bush wouldn't cut needed funds to programs----would he?
jay_156: because no one suffered and nothign was cut under the democrats
Jesus Claus: no, you convinced me
jay_156: thanks for the enlightenment
Jesus Claus: we should wave a magic wand, and click our heels together, and wish the money for college
Jesus Claus: and it will magically appear
Jesus Claus: good plan
jay_156: no poor people are going to college anymore...bush hates everyone poor....and everything was peachy under Clinton....thanks...Im heading down to register democrat now
Liz Dewitt: There's no place like College
Liz Dewitt: yes I am being sarcastic jeeper
jay_156: you've solved it for me now Claus...thanks
Jesus Claus: i'd settle for you facing reality
neteru: jesus, i keep planting money trees but they keep dying
Liz Dewitt: There's no place like college
Tom Joad: I am glad that you have finally seen the light, Jay
Liz Dewitt: get it jesus, i am trying to be funny.
jay_156: no, Ive faced reality....everyone but libs are wrong
Jesus Claus: did anyone say anything like that jay?
jay_156: so when we elect a whole government full of libs we will have everything we need
Liz Dewitt: right on jay
Jesus Claus: is it possible, maybe, that reps are wrong about some things?
Liz Dewitt: keep going
Tom Joad: Jay, we are all proud of you for finally openeing your eyes
jay_156: cool...poor people will start going to college and doing amazing things.....crime will end
jay_156: its gonna be grand
blues2: wow JC.........jay sees the light!...wtg!!!!!
Liz Dewitt: Thank you Jesus
Jesus Claus: do you think if you read more outside your zone of comfort, you might find these things out?
jay_156: what a fucking terrific day it is
Tom Joad: Jay, do you need a ride?
goodnews2x: RIGHT
Liz Dewitt: Jay saw the light at the end of the tunnel.
Jesus Claus: you don't think giving minorites more access to schools would lower crime?
jay_156: I think you're smoking some good shit Claus...thats what i think
Jesus Claus: you see no relationship there?
jay_156: no Claus it wouldnt/....giving anyone anythign never helps
Jesus Claus: true, but these are loans and grants
jay_156: we've created a society of people that want everythign given to them
jay_156: thats counterproductive
Jesus Claus: a small loan or grant for college isn't a good investment, jay?
jay_156: I worked 3 jobs to get through school Claus
Jesus Claus: do you believe in investment, jay?
jay_156: I paid for it myself
Jesus Claus: good for you
blues2: jay i got a student LOAN....and paid it all back
jay_156: why should I have?
Jesus Claus: do you believe in investment, jay?
jay_156: I should have just waited for someone to rush to my aid Claus
Tom Joad: Jesus Claus, relationships? cause and effect? these are fairly complicated concepts, for RepigKKKliklans we need to keep it VERRY Simple
Jesus Claus: jay, please, a small loan or grant isn't going to spoil you, is it?
jay_156: if I was loud enough and if I called the president an asshole long enough someone would have paid for my college
jay_156: I really fucked up
Jesus Claus: jay, you didn't have loans?
Jesus Claus: or grants?
Jesus Claus: nothing?
jay_156: no Claus....my parents made too much money
jay_156: and I was in college during Clinton
jay_156: funny how he took care of me
Jesus Claus: so, the loans were taken by needier kids
Tom Joad: Jesus Claus, you have been haveing discussions with Jay for a long time, do you really believe that he has much education?
Jesus Claus: and the grants
Jesus Claus: deserve?
Jesus Claus: why do you say that?
jay_156: yes deserve
jay_156: college isnt public education
jay_156: well it is now
Jesus Claus: at a public university, i think it would be
jay_156: its not supposed to be 13th grade
jay_156: thats all it is now
Jesus Claus: i will admit that i see people who seem somewhat ill prepared
jay_156: you earn your way into college, or at least you are supposed to
Jesus Claus: and then you can earn 25k and pay no income tax
jay_156: now you dont....now, because the libs have convinced us that everyone is deserving of the same things....now we have 13th grade
jay_156: socialism at its best Claus
Jesus Claus: so, we shouldn't invest in kids with bad backgrounds?
jay_156: awww...thats so touchy feely Claus
Jesus Claus: if they come from bad neighborhoods and bad schools, we should just let them rot?
jay_156: I can hear the nice music in the background and everything
Jesus Claus: oh wait, they don't rot, do they?
Jesus Claus: they get guns and shoot people
Jesus Claus: funny how that works out
jay_156: maybe miya angelou doing the voice over?
jay_156: tragic pics of little black kids crying?
Jesus Claus: maybe if we gave them some ways out, they wouldn't end up carjacking your ass
jay_156: Claus....the way out is the same for everyone
Jesus Claus: and that is?
jay_156: you study...you pay attention...you dont sleep in class
jay_156: you attend class
Jesus Claus: in a run down school? with no books?
jay_156: you work your ass off
Jesus Claus: no computers?
goodnews2x: NOT IN ANY SCHOOL IN MY STATE...HAVE LOWERED STANDARDS...I WILL GIVE YOU A SHORT 4TH GRADE TEST..AND I BET THAT YOUO WILL NOT COMPLETE
Jesus Claus: where did you go to high school?
Jesus Claus: mine was a damn good school
jay_156: why am I even trying....its impossible to argue with someone that uses the exception as the argument
Eat Static: a paper round like you had yea jay
Jesus Claus: you think bad inner city schools are an exception?
jay_156: always the exception
Jesus Claus: is that what you think?
jay_156: because we all know that ALL schools other than "white" schools have no books
Jesus Claus: jay, you need to deal with reality here
Jesus Claus: inner city schools are a disaster
jay_156: some schools actually have dogs teaching class
Jesus Claus: and lackof funding is reason number one
jay_156: and sometimes the poor little black kids have to walk barefooted
jay_156: uphill both ways
Eat Static: jay...reality? lollllllllllllll
goodnews2x: THE PROBLEM WITH INNER CITY EDUCATION IS THAT THEY WILL NOT GO INTO THE SCHOOLS AND TEACH AS THEY SHOULD...AND GIVE THEM THE SAM ADVANTAGES AS THE ORE PROSPEOUS SCHOOL DISTRICTS
blues2: JAY IS HOPELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus Claus: jay, my school had state of the art computers
Jesus Claus: did yours?
Jesus Claus: do you think they have that in the city schools?
jay_156: yes Claus....I grew up in a very wealthy area
Jesus Claus: really
jay_156: I know what they have in city schools because I've taught there
Jesus Claus: so, you should get this easily
jay_156: actually, taught in the classroom in an inner city Claus...have you?
Jesus Claus: you worked hard, but you had a pretty big head start didn't you?
bwpolecat_1: THE PROBLEM WITH INNER CITY SCHOOLS IS THE TEACHERS THAT DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE KIDS THEY ARE JUST WAREHOUSED
jay_156: of course you havent claus....you base EVERYTHING you know on what the NYT tells
Jesus Claus: it's easy to talk about hard work when your school had the best

So, which is it? Do you feel pity for jay's woeful lack of comprehension? Or do you feel disgust for his loathsome lack of empathy? If you're me, you feel tired and sort of hungry, but then, I'm easily distracted. Ooo, shiny...

JC

YOUR SLIP IS SHOWING

This just heard on mic in Daydream:

VIC_FERRARI_FOREVER: "...that's why Newt had the Contract ON America..."

I nearly spewed soda out of my nose when I heard that, and you all know how much that hurts. Vic was rushing a bit, trying to get all of his spin out in the time allowed, and then we get this telling Freudian Slip: Newt and his Contract ON America. You're damn right it was. And wasn't one of those items in the contract term limits? What happened to those, Vic? Hahahahahahaha.

JC

SAD, DISGRACEFUL MEN

I am truly sickened by the behavior of many of the wingnuts in PT. How anyone can stand to be in their presence is a lingering mystery to me. Even their own heartsick mothers would have gasped and retched and shoved them away at birth if they could have known what venom and vitriol would spew forth from their lips today. These overgroewn adolescents have the gall to try pitifully to mau-mau the wise thinkers who mourn for our nations fallen soldiers as much as we mourn her lack of true leadership. And today it is the deaths of United States Marines they desecrate with their childish prattle.

The NYT has found a secret Pentagon study that confirms what has been known ever since this foolish boy-king smirked and pranced us into this quagmire. 80% of marines who died in Iraq would have lived if this president and his mendacious party had released money for the troops to be properly equipped. Now, both jay_156, a dishonest, uninformed spillpipe of swill, and Vic Ferrari, a cowardly, racist pile of Alabama filth, cannot face the truth. On the issue of body armor, both of them are pathetically tossing out discarded spin to protect their desperately criminal conservative ideology. jay is so foolish as to suggest that this is because of Clinton cutting the military. Yes, friends, jay is still suckling at the well-moistened tip of his Clinton Penis dildo. He's about to gnaw the head off, he worries over it so fervidly. Sorry, jay, defunding the military started with Bush I, and his Sec Def, Dick Cheney.

Even were that not so, nothing Clinton ever did would now prevent the Repukes on Capitol Hill from paying now for body armor, except they simply refuse to. They jabber and they whine, and yet do nothing, as men and women are pierced and felled by hot metal. Hot metal that they could stop, with a few pen strokes. Monstrous, monstrous men, who can ignore death, and yet mark their faces with blood to borrow valor they cannot earn.

No man more pathetic than Vic Ferrari, of course. In PT, there are liars, and below them the lecherous, and still farther down the bores, and shit from their asses, and ground into gravel by cracked feet is Vic Ferrari, the lowest of the damned. The man must literally be unable to face reality as it is. We who know much, know that this administration has neglected proper equpment for troops from the beginning, that Bush pays lip service to their honor and then does nothing. For Vic, all battles are fought on partisan terrain. If a newspaper criticizes the GOP, of course it lies. If a grieving mother questions his emperor, she must lie. If all the arms and legs, and all the torn torsos, and heads and eyes, if all these became a hideous, monstrous, shambling thing to torment the dreams of the foolish man who sent them off to die unprotected; to Vic, this is nothing more than spin. To think, a fool like Vic could convince himself that none, no, not one of the reports against his party, his president, his part, should ever be true. I wonder that anyone could live with his head so firmly planted in his own ass. Perhaps he wears a scuba mask.

JC

POLLY WANT A PENIS

Polly wanna gonad?

I just saw a cool video online of a parrot who could make all kinds of animal noises. I'm too lazy to find the link, but this is the internet, you shouldn't have any trouble finding it. I think our room tonight also has a parrot:

nonny_1_2: clinton hid in the UK during vietnam
nonny_1_2: clinton invaded 2 soveriegn countries.... bosnia and kosovo
nonny_1_2: in fact our troops are still in bosnia... when clinton promised to have them out in one year
nonny_1_2: there was no american interest to be defenced in kosovo and bosnia

I'd offer nonny a cracker, but it looks like he's got a mouthful of Clinton Penis already.

JC

STRONG ARM BLOGERS

This what happens when you Blog, I would like to thank Crooks and Liars for giving me this information!

The power of the internet!

WaPo on Walmart,
C&L and FDL
WaPo on Walmart, C&L and FDL
WaPo:
"...The blog Firedoglake, run by Jane Hamsher in Oregon, posted news of the
combination yesterday afternoon under the heading "So Wrong." The incident
illustrated how quickly a firestorm can build on the Internet. Two minutes after
the post appeared on Hamsher's blog, it was up on the Crooks and Liars site.
Within hours, more than 100 comments were posted to that site, questioning such
things as Wal-Mart's agenda and the technicalities of mapping--
As Jane
says: Boy that "mapping" program sure does have a low-rent cracker sense
of humor.
Steve
Gilliard: " I don't agree with John{Aravosis}, and here's why. This is
no mistake. The programmer did this on purpose. Wal-Mart has a bad record on
race as is. When I watched Planet of the Apes, it was sci-fi to me, and not
marketed to

blacks specifically....read on"

FLUSHED

Dammit, I had written a really amazing post about right-wing spin and how foolish people like jay_156 were trying to spew it at people who knew better, but my Firefox crashed and I lost the whole damn thing. Fucking hell.

So, here's the short version: jay_156 wants us to believe that the Abrmaoff scandal is bipartisan, which is verbatim the spin put out by the RNC. Not only is this nonsense, particularly because Abramoff has always been a GOP insider and could hardly benefit from bribing members of the minority party, but jay is a complete tool for merely repeating the spin fed to him by the wingnut noise machine. Plus he smells bad and his mom's ugly. Goddamn, I'm telling you that lost post was freaking brilliant. Sigh.

JC

BEYOND STUPID

There is a place where I hope I never go, a lonely, empty, pitch black place. The place where Hondo goes to ingest the purest stupidity in the universe. I literally have difficulty understanding how a person could possibly be this dumb:

Jesus Claus: Hondo, Bush Doctrine - http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.15845/pub_detail.asp
Jesus Claus: fromm AEI
Hondo_1887: aei?
Jesus Claus: yes, the AEI
Jesus Claus: heard of it?
Hondo_1887: huh?
Hondo_1887: i never heard of it
Hondo_1887: you would think i would have
Jesus Claus: you haven't heard of the AEI??!?!?!?!?!??!
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Brutelogic: PINK,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,LIES, prove it
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahahhahahahahha
Jesus Claus: oh em eff gee
Jesus Claus: you haven't heard of AEI?
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahahhaa
Jesus Claus: oh forget it
Jesus Claus: you're hopeless
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahhaha
Hondo_1887: never heard of ANY of these people on AEI
Jesus Claus: never heard of the AEI hahahahahahahaha
Hondo_1887: who is Gary Schmitt?
Hondo_1887: who is John Yoo?
ThePinkCamel: PNAC is a think tank for the project for the new american century
Hondo_1887: aei is a liberal website
Hondo_1887: check it out people
Jesus Claus: who is John Yoo?!?!?!??!?!?!
ThePinkCamel: yes it does
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahahahhahah
ThePinkCamel: does bush write?
ThePinkCamel: lol
Jesus Claus: who is Gary Schmidt?
ThePinkCamel: j/k
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahahaha
ThePinkCamel: ok let me get the link
Jesus Claus: Schmidt is the head of PNAC!
ThePinkCamel: http://www.newamericancentury.org/
Hondo_1887: Pink.... I will give you the benefit of the doubt... I can easily see very quickly that aei.org is a liberal website
ThePinkCamel: if u notice that kristol does the statement of principles
Jesus Claus: Yoo is the DOJ lawyer who wrote the memo arging that Bush had unfettered power!
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahaha
ThePinkCamel: OK HERE IS THE PNAC LINK
Jesus Claus: William Kristol?
ThePinkCamel: http://www.newamericancentury.org/
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahaha
Jesus Claus: fucking Newt Gingrich is with AEI!!!
Hondo_1887: the New American Century i have seen before. It is a trick site for Kristoll I think to gain image. I don't subscribe to Kristol and his BS either
Jesus Claus: AEI is the premier GOP think tank, you boob!
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha
Jesus Claus: h=hahahahahahahahahaha
ThePinkCamel: OK DO U GUYS KNOW WHO WILLIAM KRISTOL IS?
ThePinkCamel: HE IS THE EDITOR OF THE WEEKLY STANDARD
peppi6: lmao.. great comedy, brutie.. you must have been up half the night thinkin this stuff up
Still-Here2: lol
ThePinkCamel: THE POLTIICAL JOURNAL THAT IS USED EXTENSEIVELY IN THE WHITE HOUSE
MrArchieBunker: Weekly Standard
Hondo_1887: exactly Pink... he is a liberal pretended conservative

Ok, I'm finding it difficult to breathe, I'm laughing so hard. Hondo thinks that the American Enterprise Institute, the most influential policy think tank of the GOP, the Scaife funded paper mill for conservative shills, is a liberal group. John Yoo writes there. He is a top DOJ lawyer and the writer of legal memos justifying torture and abuses of presidential power. Gary Schmidt writes there. He's the current president of the Project for a New American Century, where dozens of current Bush officials originate from. Newt Fucking Gingrich works there. Hell, Dick Cheney's wife is there. And this slobbering fool Hondo thinks it's liberal. The very heart of the Right Wing Cabal, and he actually thinks it's liberal. And notice how terms like PNAC gently ruffle the hair of the wingnuts as they zoom by inches above their sloped brows and greasy hair.

I have to be honest with you, I am a total news junkie, and I am not bragging when I say that I keep pace with a massive amount of detail about the crimes of the GOP. And it stops me cold sometimes when I'm arguing with imbeciles like Hondo, because I naturally extend to him the benefit of the doubt, that he is as reasonably informed as I am. And I'm sure that many of you also imagine that the wingnuts on PT, well, they must at least have a grasp of the fundamentals, they must have at least a hazy understanding of most of the players and organizations involved, but then something like this comes along and you realize, no, they really don't.

This tears it. I had suspected PT served up an inferior strain of wingnut, but this is incontrovertible proof. There were several wingnuts in the room at the time. Archie, Brute, Hondo, Snsual, and Vic. None of them knew what the AEI was. Several of them didn't know what PNAC was. And Hondo is EVEN NOW trying to convince us that William Kristol had NO connection to the Bush White House, that Kristol is some dangerous radical, and not, as he in fact is, one of the key achitects of Bush foreign policy. I think PT might actually be damaging these people. Somehow exposure to some kind of toxin or virus or radiation has done debilitating chromosomal damage to these people. Do you think we might get sick too? Do I look sick to you? I feel a little feverish. Does this look infected?

JC

Update - SnsualsingerDEN is trying to claim that Hondo never said AEI was liberal, even though this is what he said:

Hondo_1887: aei is a liberal website

And this is Hondo's claim now:

Hondo_1887: but I clearly mean that the AEI site was MADE by liberals to feign it to represent CONSERVATIVE thought. It is a joke

Un-fucking-believable.

I BEEN A BAD WITTLE BOY

Well, just got done poking into Hondo's cage with a sharp stick. Not for nothing, but what is the deal with MrArchieBunker having a hat in Back to Mainstream? Has DommieGoddess lost her mind? Giving that simpleton a hat guarantees your room will quickly fill with the noxious, brackish filth staining the drains of Social Issues. Not even sulfuric acid is going to take up the slime trails left by Brute, slammer, and Nashot Chayl as they snuffle along the floor looking for carrion.

I tried to engage on a relatively clear topic, the recent revelation of illegal wiretapping on the order of King George. Now, I already know that the RNC has attempted to dirty the water by dumping fresh talking point chum, but I had no idea it had rooted so quickly into the wingnut brain. First, Nashot tried to present two executive orders proving that Carter and Clinton did exactly what Bush did. Sorry, boyo, you strike out again! Both Eos referred to spying approved under certification by the Attorney General, which is legal under FISA (and is NOT what Bush did), and the Clinton EO actually was the one that clarified the rules of FISA to include physical searches. Holy shit, guys, do you even bother to read these things before you try to shove them in our faces? Regular people might be fooled by GOP spin, but you're dealing with political ninjas here in PT. You'll be holding your spilling guts in your hands before you even realize the blade passed thru you.

Hondo tried to counter, but frankly, it was like being beaten mercilessly by a 4 year-old. It's just so darn cute, but no one's getting hurt. In response to genuine violations of federal law, and numerous citations of analysts left, right, and center affirming that Bush has broken federal law, if not violated the Constitution itself, Hondo can only muster pitiful whines about Dan Rather and Sandy Burger. Please, neocons, these are serious matters. You have to bring your "A" game. All in all, it was a magical trip through wingnut nonsense, but, much like after the Teacup ride, I'm feeling dizzy and vaguely nauseated.


JC

IS IT GETTING QUEASY IN HERE?

I know I haven't been around as much, but I assure you I have a good excuse. We like to do our best here to drill the proverbial core sample of wingnut excrement and produce a comedic full spectrum analysis for you, but recently, I feel as if I am viscerally rejecting the Bush-licking filth. Just as your body and brain know even before you are consciously aware that you've ingested poison (or a little too much Jagermeister), in just that way, i find myself repulsed from the liars and fools on Social Issues. Don't worry, the condition should clear up in a few days. I'm trying the Mithradates method; if I expose myself to this toxin a little bit at a time, I may soon grow immune...

Nah, I'll always be allergic to stupidity.

JC