Hypocritical Conservative, what is it?
For 2 days, I was not allowed into the DayDream Politics room. Its admins, headed by Recovered Atheist and Tocsa banned me because I supported Saint Casey NY.
From the last time I was in that room, I remember in the banner Free Speech was advertised and Liberalism was spouted. I know others are banned from this room; thus, the “Hypocritical” is well suited.
I’ve heard people talk about unity within the liberal party on Paltalk. I ask the question; how can we unite when certain factions of the so-called liberal people on Paltalk support terrorism, suppression of speech and anti-homosexuality?
When I first met Recovered Atheist I was called a “Fag.” This blatant homophobic behavior should not be allowed in the liberal rooms, let alone in the liberal Paltalk party.
People advocating the killing of Americans and others should also not be allowed!
Suppression Speech should not be allowed!
If people are true liberals and hold true values they would denounce behavior such as this!
However, some people Do Not!
This brings me to the conclusion that those who support Tosca, RecoveredAtheist, or BobbyMcgee and their friends are not Liberals but Conservatives.
Now its not just throwing a label on them, it’s stating the obvious. Everything we fought for in the past 3 years, with trying to get rid of George Bush and trying to crush Neoconism because of reasons, such as, suppressing dissent and anti-homosexualism is being crushed by people who claim to be Liberals.
This is exactly what gives the “real” conservatives fuel for their fire. Its people who support terrorist activity that makes the Neocons think that all liberals support terrorism. To prove my point look at this link; http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/01/20.html#a6792
Banning people from rooms is definitely not a Liberal Value. Crushing dissent views within a party is also not a Liberal value. Lastly, homophobic remarks are not a Liberal. All those things are Conservative values or Libertarian values.
Now, if you’re a Conservative or a Libertarian this blog doesn’t apply to you. But if you claim to be Liberal, I think its time to deeply search for your values but cause you just might be a Hypocritical Conservative
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Neither tosca nor myself have ever claimed to belong to any party or to be "liberals." Casey has been banned from the room's inception so you couldn't have been banned for "supporting" him -- not in our room. Earlier you said you were banned because you disagreed with violence (or some such thing) so I'm rather confused. Just what is your complaint? I would think you'd want to stay away from people like us since you express such a great dislike for us. So you couldn't be upset about being banned. And how did you find out that you were banned? I guess you were trying to get into the same room you say is full of hypocrites and fascist. Maybe it's me but your statements don't make a lot of sense. But thanks again for the free press :)
Sincerely,
Recovered Atheist
Really, this is garbage. This imbecile talks about crushing dissent, but then, on the other hand, his main complaint seems to be that the people he describes as 'terorists' aren't crushed properly, in the room. He also talks about libertarians having a problem with homosexuals. He is talking out of his errm hat.
Believe it or not some folks have no need for group think and are repelled by it. We don't belong to any political party because of that. I don't know what you mean by "liberal." When I was younger a liberal was one who respected all opinions, cultures and traditions. It was someone who valued the human and civil rights of ALL people. That's not true today or at least it doesn't look that way to me. Today one has to espouse some opinions that I don't agree with in order to wear the label "liberal" -- you have to be pro choice and pro gay marriage, etc. I can't speak for tosca on those issues. In fact, I believe we disagree on some of them. But we respect one another's right to hold and express those opinions. Liberals are not that tolerant. It seems they demand that you espouse their idea of how the world should be.
We are not pretending to be anything. But I think you made some assumptions that were fundamentally wrong and it's unfair for you to fault us for that. After all they were YOUR assumptions.
As far as the bounce and ban are concerned: You were accusing us of advocating violence and of supporting people who advocate violence. We were offended by that. Not only because it's not true but because, in the time you were there, no one had even spoken of violence except to make reference to what was occuring in Iraq. Yet you accused us of breaking TOS by advocating violence.
I've seen you do that kind of thing to Bobby McGee repeatedly in an effort to get him to say something he could be banned for. Bobby was personally affected in a big way by the Israelis so, over time, your badgering had the desired effect. I,on the other hand, have not been displaced, robbed, or had a family member beaten and killed by those Israeli thugs so I can see things a little more clearly. I don't think you'll ever get me banned using that particular tactic. And it seems to me that it's none of your business if I'm friends with Bobby. I don't tell you who to hang out with so what makes you think you can tell me what to do?
In any case we're not "liberals" and now that that's been cleared up perhaps we can put this all behind us.
Ok you little twat!
Here's my ONLY reply to your blatant spew of lies and crybaby dribble.
First issue:
you said: "Tocsa banned me because I supported Saint Casey NY."
WRONG! You were banned because you were only there to DISRUPT the room and harass users in the room.
Paltalk gives admins/owners the right to bounce/ban users who blatanly are there to disrupt the flow of the room - you did! We could care less who you support or not!
Blatant and repeated harassment of individual users is a TOS violation. Again, I refer you to the TOS rules site here -> http://www.paltalk.com/terms.html
since I suppose you won't bother to go there, I will post some excerpts here for you, that pertain to YOU:
"Without limiting the foregoing, examples of unacceptable conduct include: (a) threatening, harassing, or intimidating another user"
"(g) disrupting the normal operation of any chat room or otherwise acting in a manner that negatively impacts other users"
Now FYI and please read this carefully: Our room will ALWAYS ban people who use RACIAL/ETHNIC hate slurs, THREATS and continously HARRASS users in our room!
St.Casey threatened and harassed not only myself, but others as well, and YOU harrassed me and other users also! You will have to live with the consequences of YOUR actions and if YOU violate TOS and the room rules, we have EVERY RIGHT to bounce and BAN you!
2nd issue:
You wrote: "From the last time I was in that room, I remember in the banner Free Speech was advertised"
WRONG ! Our banner has NEVER stated 'FREE SPEECH' ! It always says 'Free Opinion' the entry message is as follows (since you missed it)
TOS are respected, no ramblings,no mic hogs- serious debate of ISSUES please- Disruptors will be bounced!!
I recommend you read welcome messages in paltalk rooms more carefully when you enter, so you know what to expect!
3. issue:
you wrote: "I’ve heard people talk about unity within the liberal party on Paltalk. I ask the question; how can we unite when certain factions of the so-called liberal people on Paltalk support terrorism, suppression of speech and anti-homosexuality?
When I first met Recovered Atheist I was called a “Fag.” This blatant homophobic behavior should not be allowed in the liberal rooms, let alone in the liberal Paltalk party."
ehem, which 'liberal party' on paltalk are you talking about? LOL did you take your meds today? There is NO 'liberal party' on paltalk, silly one!
1. we don't support terrorism in ANY shape or form, no matter who commits it (individuals, organizations or nations)
2. we (daydream politics) have NEVER advocated 'uniting' or any such party dribble - we are FREE thinkers and retain the HUMAN RIGHT to think and decide for ourselves, what we believe, do and say!
3. we do not and have never bounced anyone for their OPINION on a political issue BUT we have and will bounce and ban TOS violators, threats and harrassers!
next 'issue':
you wrote: " People advocating the killing of Americans and others should also not be allowed!"
Are you calling for censorship there? Just asking! Advocating the killing of anyone is a TOS violation and we have dotted and bounced users for doing just that. What users have said or are rumored to have said in OTHER rooms is not of concern to admins in our room- we only admin OUR room and what is actually said /typed in it.
next issue
you wrote: " Banning people from rooms is definitely not a Liberal Value. "
wow, what do you suggest we do about people who threaten users then?
Oh that's right , you already gave YOUR 'liberal value ' answer:
"This blatant homophobic behavior should not be allowed in the liberal rooms, let alone in the liberal Paltalk party."
'not be allowed' ?? Isn't that 'Suppression of speech', which YOU say should 'not be allowed'??
I suggest this: you make your 'liberal paltalk party' room and make YOUR own rules and see how far you will get with that. I predict you will be a little room dictator with thought and speech police behavior who will sit in a room full of robots who don't dare think for themselves anymore out of fear of falling out of favor with you. I suggest you study Stalin, he managed to conform and suppress a whole nation! And don't forget the ever popular tactic of dictators, the invaluable 'enemy' -- in your case, the Zorro of paltalk 'Bobby McGee', who you drag out of oblivion every time it suits your purposes! (wow, reminds me of Bush and Osama for some reason)
have fun on paltalk and good luck with your room!
tosca_puccini
Were YOU in the room at the time? I don't think so. You're just taking Casey's word for it. Him and Jesus Claus. They're the ones who started all this "Bobby's a terrorist" shit. And the rest of you just fell in line and harrassed Bobby until he broke. Don't you think it's time you started thinking for yourself? And so what if Bobby said those things? You don't like Bobby then stay away from him. But I don't think you people have a right to tell me or anyone else what to do.
Oh grow up. Bobby didn't start anything. It's just that you think you can run people's lives, just like you're trying to do to me. Well the last time I checked there was no law that said I have to agree with "liberals" or assholes. I'm not going to hate Bobby because you think I should. So GET OVER IT.
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