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Rare poll reveals rift between president and troops
By Demetri Sevastopulo in WashingtonPublished: February 28 2006 23:54 Last updated: February 28 2006 23:54
President George W. Bush has repeatedly argued that a premature withdrawal from Iraq would dishonour the US troops who have died in Iraq. But a rare opinion poll of US military personnel in Iraq released on Tuesday suggested that only a quarter of US troops agreed with their commander-in-chief.
Mr Bush on Tuesday repeated his mantra, telling ABC news that “the US troops will stay so long as until the Iraqis can defend themselves… My policy has not changed”.
The Zogby International/Le Moyne College poll – the first attempt to gauge the opinion of US soldiers serving in Iraq – coincided with a separate CBS news poll which found that only 36 per cent of the US public believes things are going well in Iraq.
The CBS poll was conducted following the attack on the Shia mosque in Samarra, which sparked a wave of violence across Iraq, prompting concerns that Iraq could be on the brink of civil war.
In recent days, senior US officials have suggested that Iraq remains in a precarious state. But Mr Bush on Tuesday told ABC that he disagreed with those who suggested Iraq could be heading for full-scale civil war.
General Michael Maples, director of the Pentagon’s Defense Intelligence Agency, told a Senate hearing on Tuesday: “I think we should take heart in the leaders who have come forward at this point, but we’re also in a very tenuous situation right now.
“I think that more violence, were it to occur, were it to be stimulated by al-Qaeda in Iraq, would have a very significant impact on the situation in Iraq.”
He warned that political progress would not necessarily stem the conflict. “Even moderate Sunni Arab leaders see violence as a complement to their political platforms, and are pursuing a dual-track policy of political engagement and armed resistance,” he said.
John Negroponte, the director for national intelligence, told the same Senate hearing that Iraq was making progress on the political and security fronts. But he acknowledged that a civil war would have dramatic ramifications for Iraq.
“The consequences for the people of Iraq would be catastrophic...It would seriously jeopardise the democratic political process on which they are presently embarked.”
Tuesday, February 28, 2006
THE DEMATHI LAMA
Sometimes Karl really cracks me up. If nothing else, just listening to him speak is like meditation within a dream. It's english, but sometimes it's a language I just don't understand. And sometimes, it's undiluted genius.
Karl was talking to a skulking troll called demathi. And what he began with, in his typical elliptical fashion, was a discussion of the troll's name. He said that demathi was a female name, because names that end with "i" were mostly feminine. Names like "Kathi," or "Bobbi." When the name ends in "i", even a man's name, it's in a female form. Fascinating. So this is how demathi responded:
I nearly choked on my Mountain Dew. Can you believe how dense this cretin is? Dude, that's his title. You know, as in The Dalai Lama? It's a title of respect. Not a freaking proper name, you halfwit. Is the president The George Bush? Did The Jim Carrey star in Bruce Almighty? Would that make more sense to you, demathi, if I called it The Bruce Almighty? Apparently in the strange twilight world demathi lives in, proper names are always preceded by "The." The mind boggles (And just for demathi's benefit, I'm not talking about someone named Mind Boggles).
Of course, you probably expected me to include a "Hello, Dalai," joke somewhere. What kind of jackass do you think I am?
By the way, if demathi or anyone else is curious, according to his official website, The Dalai Lama, who was born Lhamo Thondup, at ascension assumed his new proper name of Jamphel Ngawang Lobsang Yeshe Tenzin Gyatso. Just in case you want to send him a card or something...
JC
Karl was talking to a skulking troll called demathi. And what he began with, in his typical elliptical fashion, was a discussion of the troll's name. He said that demathi was a female name, because names that end with "i" were mostly feminine. Names like "Kathi," or "Bobbi." When the name ends in "i", even a man's name, it's in a female form. Fascinating. So this is how demathi responded:
demathi: lmaooooooo I'm using my last name
demathi: Like Dali ? In Lama ?
demathi: hahahahahhahaahhahahaha
Jesus Claus: Dali isn't his name, you fuckwit
Jesus Claus: it's Dalai, and it's a title
demathi: he is given the name Jesus, christ you are stupid
I nearly choked on my Mountain Dew. Can you believe how dense this cretin is? Dude, that's his title. You know, as in The Dalai Lama? It's a title of respect. Not a freaking proper name, you halfwit. Is the president The George Bush? Did The Jim Carrey star in Bruce Almighty? Would that make more sense to you, demathi, if I called it The Bruce Almighty? Apparently in the strange twilight world demathi lives in, proper names are always preceded by "The." The mind boggles (And just for demathi's benefit, I'm not talking about someone named Mind Boggles).
Of course, you probably expected me to include a "Hello, Dalai," joke somewhere. What kind of jackass do you think I am?
By the way, if demathi or anyone else is curious, according to his official website, The Dalai Lama, who was born Lhamo Thondup, at ascension assumed his new proper name of Jamphel Ngawang Lobsang Yeshe Tenzin Gyatso. Just in case you want to send him a card or something...
JC
COATTAILS
NewOrleansSOTA: President Bush isn't running for office anymore, you think polls mean squat to him? LOL
I can't figure out whether these kinds of statements are straight ignorance or whistling past the graveyard. Probably a little bit of both. And political observer is well aware that the public perception of Bush is going to have serious deleterious effects on the reelection prospects of GOP congressmen and senators. Only a fool would try to pretend that Bush's job approval, now in free fall and marking the descent at 34%, has no effect on the prospects of his minions.
Hell, remember last year, the elections in Virginia, NJ, etc? Those GOP candidates lost close elections, and afterwards it was well understood that Bush's support and his toxic stain is what cost them victory.
Let's see if Mr. 34% can drag his team over the goal line in November. I think maybe more than a few candidates are hoping Bush stays the hell out of their district. Voters are angry, and anyone caught next to Bush is going to feel the burn.
JC
1/3!!!!
Bush's new poll numbers show a faltering collapse. NYT/CBS reports: 34% job approval. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I think we should start appending "1/3" to all the wingnut nicknames in PT. Why hello, 1/3VIC_FERRARI_FOREVER. What's that, 1/3MosesKnows? Did you say something, 1/3NewOrleansSOTA?
And what do you get when you add them up? 1/3 + 1/3 +1/3 = A whole load of shit.
JC
And what do you get when you add them up? 1/3 + 1/3 +1/3 = A whole load of shit.
JC
Monday, February 27, 2006
WHAT A CATCH!
Via Jesus' General, we've located Vic's Hannidate profile. Better snatch him up quickly, ladies, he's quite a catch.
JC
JC
PULL PIN...COUNT TO 3...THROW!
Right now in 2 Way, LordMercifulVoo and Ricochet Rebel (nee Bobby McGee), are exchanging heated insults on mic. Voo called Bobby a camel fucker, and Bobby is telling Voo his dick is the size of a toothpick. So, just good clean fun.
Voo is very good at cursing. A lot of his stuff is based around the suffix -ass. So, Bobby is an ignorant-ass, dumbass, trifling-ass camel fucker. It lends the insults a good cadence. Bobby just called Voo an "ashlach," which, knowing Bobby probably means "zionist."
Now, here comes the grenade. I'm going to get up on mic and tell Voo about this new study from Stanford University. Apparently, researchers who analyzed a set of 326 genes in over 3000 participants were able to correctly classify them into 4 racial categories with very little error. The three groups were White, African-American, East Asian(subdivided into Chinese & Japanese), and Hispanic. Now, Voo loves to argue that Hispanic is not a race, so we shall see how he responds...
JC
Voo is very good at cursing. A lot of his stuff is based around the suffix -ass. So, Bobby is an ignorant-ass, dumbass, trifling-ass camel fucker. It lends the insults a good cadence. Bobby just called Voo an "ashlach," which, knowing Bobby probably means "zionist."
Now, here comes the grenade. I'm going to get up on mic and tell Voo about this new study from Stanford University. Apparently, researchers who analyzed a set of 326 genes in over 3000 participants were able to correctly classify them into 4 racial categories with very little error. The three groups were White, African-American, East Asian(subdivided into Chinese & Japanese), and Hispanic. Now, Voo loves to argue that Hispanic is not a race, so we shall see how he responds...
JC
Sunday, February 26, 2006
MEALWATCH, PT 4
Vic leaves for Lunch-5, 3:15 PM EST. No word on when the janitor will be able to remove the stench left behind.
JC
JC
Saturday, February 25, 2006
VIC FERRARI - THE STUPIDEST MAN ALIVE
It is said that you cannot win an argument with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience. That may well be true, but if you can get the idiot to pick up his own armed grenade, all you have to worry about is getting blood on your shoes.
Tonight, Vic Ferrari proved beyond a shadow of a lingering doubt that he is indeed the stupidest man in PalTalk. Now, there are people who can't form a coherent sentence, like Ds_F_Ps_AndA-Holes, and there are people who inhabit a strange twilight dimension beyond human understanding, like JesSeado, but if there were an Olympic event for poor arguments, Vic would have taken gold, silver, and bronze tonight.
Vic, like many ignorant wingnuts, has fully absorbed the GOP talking point that causes every right wing crazy, from Ken Mehlman on down, to spew the following, "The Democrats have no plan. All they can do is criticize Bush!" This is usually spat out with all the aplomb of a 3rd grader, after which they usually stick out their tongue and try to rub gum in your hair. Charming.
I hear this meme a lot from Vic, and just tonight I finally figured out what was so fallacious. "Vic," I calmly inquired, "You do realize that it's fairly well known that reelections are frequently a referendum on the performance of the incumbent, right? Showing people that they've been badly served by a leader is perfectly normal." Vic immediately began haranguing me from text. NO CLAUS, he shouted in big blue text, DEMS USED TO HAVE A PLAN.
Vic came up on mic soon enough. "Now Claus said something completely wrong before," Vic opined smarmily. "Before, when Dems ran campaigns, they had positive plans." I waited patiently for his rebuttal. "When Clinton ran against George Bush Senior in 1992, he had a plan. The slogan was 'It's the economy, stupid.' They were saying to people, vote for Bush only if you're doing better economically."
My jaw dropped open. Did I just hear what I thought I heard? Wait, no one could be that stupid. He's trying to say that Dems had a positive idea in 1992, and then says that the idea was to make the election a referendum on Bush I's economic stewardship. No one I've ever heard in PT has ever gotten on mic, tried to rebut an argument, and then proceeded to cut their own legs out with their first example. It's like he pulled a grenade pin, tossed it a few feet, and then jumped on it belly first.
I was laughing so hard I could barely speak when my turn came around again. Honestly, if I had been searching for an example of the principle I was talking about initially, I could hardly have found a better one than Vic handed to me immediately. The quality of wingnut is definitely deteriorating, like the genetic mutation you'd expect from multiple retread cloning. Well, you know what they say about the Alabama education system: someone has to do all the menial labor.
JC
Tonight, Vic Ferrari proved beyond a shadow of a lingering doubt that he is indeed the stupidest man in PalTalk. Now, there are people who can't form a coherent sentence, like Ds_F_Ps_AndA-Holes, and there are people who inhabit a strange twilight dimension beyond human understanding, like JesSeado, but if there were an Olympic event for poor arguments, Vic would have taken gold, silver, and bronze tonight.
Vic, like many ignorant wingnuts, has fully absorbed the GOP talking point that causes every right wing crazy, from Ken Mehlman on down, to spew the following, "The Democrats have no plan. All they can do is criticize Bush!" This is usually spat out with all the aplomb of a 3rd grader, after which they usually stick out their tongue and try to rub gum in your hair. Charming.
I hear this meme a lot from Vic, and just tonight I finally figured out what was so fallacious. "Vic," I calmly inquired, "You do realize that it's fairly well known that reelections are frequently a referendum on the performance of the incumbent, right? Showing people that they've been badly served by a leader is perfectly normal." Vic immediately began haranguing me from text. NO CLAUS, he shouted in big blue text, DEMS USED TO HAVE A PLAN.
Vic came up on mic soon enough. "Now Claus said something completely wrong before," Vic opined smarmily. "Before, when Dems ran campaigns, they had positive plans." I waited patiently for his rebuttal. "When Clinton ran against George Bush Senior in 1992, he had a plan. The slogan was 'It's the economy, stupid.' They were saying to people, vote for Bush only if you're doing better economically."
My jaw dropped open. Did I just hear what I thought I heard? Wait, no one could be that stupid. He's trying to say that Dems had a positive idea in 1992, and then says that the idea was to make the election a referendum on Bush I's economic stewardship. No one I've ever heard in PT has ever gotten on mic, tried to rebut an argument, and then proceeded to cut their own legs out with their first example. It's like he pulled a grenade pin, tossed it a few feet, and then jumped on it belly first.
I was laughing so hard I could barely speak when my turn came around again. Honestly, if I had been searching for an example of the principle I was talking about initially, I could hardly have found a better one than Vic handed to me immediately. The quality of wingnut is definitely deteriorating, like the genetic mutation you'd expect from multiple retread cloning. Well, you know what they say about the Alabama education system: someone has to do all the menial labor.
JC
MEALWATCH, PT. 3
10:00 PM EST. I'm on patrol on the brittle edge of the Eastern Front. I blow into cupped hands to bring back the feeling, then shake them out. I'd just lit a cigarette when the call came over my radio. "Eagle Base to Buzzard, reports are in the Vic Ferrari has just fled the battlefield and will soon be eating Dinner-7." I clipp my radio back to my belt. It's gonna be a long night...
JC
JC
THE EASY WAY OUT
2 Way Politics is swarming with wingnuts tonight, and I'm near to vomiting. The basic wingnut argument runs roughly as follows, "Republicans and Bush can do no wrong. And if they do, I don't care."
Combine that with the amount of lies they spew, and you can understand why some people are fooled so often. We've reached a point where a political solution is receding into the distance in Iraq. Saddam, of course, had no WMDs. But Vic is trying to trot out "new" tapes (from 1995) with Saddam plotting about WMDs. A compelling argument for invasion, perhaps, in 1995. I would have enjoyed hearing Vic make that argument. Of course, Republicans at the time felt that we had no national interest in ending genocide in Eastern Europe, and predicted carnage and failure. Ah, for the time of clear-headed, cold-hearted Republicans. Were we ever so young?
I especially am enjoying the contortions wingnuts like Vic and drclean are doing to justify this UAE port deal. Vic, the mighty counterterrorism warrior, who would be over in Iraq except sitting in the basement in stained underwear drinking beer is not a combat skill, is now trying to assuage our doubts about letting a nation with direct ties to Al Qaida and Bin Laden run our vulnerable ports. Let me get this straight: Saddam had ties to terrorism, so invade him; UAE has ties to terrorism, buy them a cookie. Makes perfect sense.
JC
Combine that with the amount of lies they spew, and you can understand why some people are fooled so often. We've reached a point where a political solution is receding into the distance in Iraq. Saddam, of course, had no WMDs. But Vic is trying to trot out "new" tapes (from 1995) with Saddam plotting about WMDs. A compelling argument for invasion, perhaps, in 1995. I would have enjoyed hearing Vic make that argument. Of course, Republicans at the time felt that we had no national interest in ending genocide in Eastern Europe, and predicted carnage and failure. Ah, for the time of clear-headed, cold-hearted Republicans. Were we ever so young?
I especially am enjoying the contortions wingnuts like Vic and drclean are doing to justify this UAE port deal. Vic, the mighty counterterrorism warrior, who would be over in Iraq except sitting in the basement in stained underwear drinking beer is not a combat skill, is now trying to assuage our doubts about letting a nation with direct ties to Al Qaida and Bin Laden run our vulnerable ports. Let me get this straight: Saddam had ties to terrorism, so invade him; UAE has ties to terrorism, buy them a cookie. Makes perfect sense.
JC
MEALWATCH, PT 2
Vic has just announced, at 2:05 PM EST, he is leaving, yet again, after only being back for 45 minutes. It's time for Lunch-2. Senior administration officials report that he will also be painting his toenails...
JC
JC
MEALWATCH
As of 12:20 PM EST, Vic Ferrari has left to eat Breakfast-3. According to our statistics, Vic eats about 26 meals per day. These meals also correspond to the times Vic is getting his ass kicked in chat. Scientists are investigating whether these two phenomena are related...
JC
JC
Friday, February 24, 2006
LOGIC DEFEATS MOSESKNOWS IN 1ST ROUND KO
MK came out swinging with his newly devised analysis of the Iraq situation. Before the invasion, he was gung ho about, "exporting democracy," to establish a "liberal, secular, and western-friendly democracy in the Middle East." That was then. Now, MK apparently welcomes a bloody civil conflict:
At this point, Moses took the mic. He was giggly, and didn't seem to have the stomach for this argument. So naturally, I was forced to harrass him in text:
No, you were very clear. You want a civil war, damn the consequences for the US.
Just a second, there, buddy. First you say you welcome a civil war, and a few seconds later, you say we should try to prevent it?
I think at that point, MK had taken a few straight rights to the forehead, he had a bleeding cut over one eye, and his legs were like noodles. It only took the above few questions to knock him out of the fight. Too bad, MosesKnows, you coulda been a contenduh...
JC
desovador: iraq must NOT slide into civil war
MosesKnows: desovador - why not a civil war?
MosesKnows: desovador - if they can't come to live together under a constitution then a civil war is the way to settle things.
Jesus Claus: settle things?
Jesus Claus: what the hairy fuck are you talking about, MK?
desovador: mses, you WANT civil war?
Jesus Claus: A country in a full scale civil war with foreign Al Qaida terrorists in it is a threat to US national security
MosesKnows: desovador - lol..are you under the impression that if the coalition leaves iraq the shiite, sunni, and kurds will embrace each other.
Jesus Claus: I cannot imagine how you can be so sanguine about this
mistymay: out of the invasion of Iraq, has permitted Iran to grow stronger and become a large problem to the world
At this point, Moses took the mic. He was giggly, and didn't seem to have the stomach for this argument. So naturally, I was forced to harrass him in text:
Jesus Claus: you were wrong
Jesus Claus: we were right
Jesus Claus: that is all
Jesus Claus: no, you were wrong
Jesus Claus: we told you it could not work
Jesus Claus: and we were right
Jesus Claus: we told you it was not possible to export freedom with arms
Jesus Claus: and you were wrong
Jesus Claus: we were right
Jesus Claus: we told you it would be a civil war
Jesus Claus: i predicted no outcome
Jesus Claus: I told you what would happen DURING the war
Jesus Claus: you were wrong
Jesus Claus: we were right
Jesus Claus: try to focus
Jesus Claus: you were wrong
Jesus Claus: we were right
Jesus Claus: stop your giggling
Jewel 41: i predicted the possibilty of a civil war....bush is an idiot...
Jesus Claus: you were wrong
Jesus Claus: we were right
Jesus Claus: you were wrong
Jesus Claus: we were right
Jesus Claus: you are trying to change the subject
Jesus Claus: and that is understandable
Jesus Claus: because you were wrong
Jesus Claus: and it is time for you to admit it
desovador: moses now blames the "media"
desovador: just like the pigtagon
Jesus Claus: stop trying to shift blame
Jesus Claus: stop being a weasal
Jesus Claus: accept responsibility
dystopia302006: lol sorry moses
Jesus Claus: you were wrong
Jesus Claus: we were right
Jesus Claus: he said a lot of empty words
Jesus Claus: but he didn't tell the truth
Jesus Claus: he was wrong
Jesus Claus: and it hurts to admit
Jesus Claus: but he should do it
MosesKnows: i said i favor a civil war at this point...
MosesKnows: was i not clear
No, you were very clear. You want a civil war, damn the consequences for the US.
Jesus Claus: he is too dumb to realize how foolish he sounds
Jesus Claus: do you live in America?
MosesKnows: futher violence in the middle east....hark..how terrible
Jesus Claus: do you not care about the risk to our safety allowing Al Qaida to function in Iraq will cause?
Jesus Claus: your analyzing skills are pathetic, MK
Jesus Claus: you seem afraid of the implications of your ideas
Jesus Claus: you favor a civil war
Jesus Claus: and yet a civil war puts the US in danger
Jesus Claus: do you not care about putting the US in danger?
MosesKnows: maybe america should try to help iraq avoid a civil war....
Just a second, there, buddy. First you say you welcome a civil war, and a few seconds later, you say we should try to prevent it?
Jesus Claus: MK, are you saying you don't care about the safety of the US?
Jesus Claus: wait wait wait
MosesKnows: lol..the last 3 years...how about the last 300 years
Jesus Claus: you just said you favored a civil war
Jesus Claus: are you now saying you do not favor a civil war?
Jesus Claus: which is it, MK?
Jesus Claus: do you favor it or not?
Jesus Claus: should we try to stop it, or let it happen?
Jesus Claus: what is your answer?
Jesus Claus: are you not going to answer?
Jesus Claus: MK, do you not understand the question?
Jesus Claus: MK, I will take your lack of response as a concession
I think at that point, MK had taken a few straight rights to the forehead, he had a bleeding cut over one eye, and his legs were like noodles. It only took the above few questions to knock him out of the fight. Too bad, MosesKnows, you coulda been a contenduh...
JC
TOLERANCE
ononotagain: I'll ask another time, when I am sober. out of respect.
AYar5: any time onono...just let me know...I appreciate your sincerity and respect
ononotagain: I embrace Islam in Australia. all the muslims I know are better citizens than my fellow yobbos
AYar5: I appreciate that ononot...I'm sure there are good citizens in every corner of the world...muslims and non-muslims....may Allah guide them all on the most righteous path
ononotagain: I put it in text, so you see I am not 2 faced
AYar5: I understand...I would never think that...
AYar5: can I tell you a quick story?
AYar5: real life story
ononotagain: <-beyond religions, sorry.
AYar5: my taught me something important once...
AYar5: I understand...you'll like this one though, promise
AYar5: just trust me, if you please
ononotagain: wisdom trancends religion, and is to be found in many religions. but you need to take the good and discard the bad
AYar5: true...I agree...
ononotagain: ok, if it's a good story, I will publish it,
AYar5: well I will give you a short version
AYar5: so you don't get bored
AYar5: my uncle is a muslim
AYar5: he taught me something important one day
AYar5: he told me a story once...and it starts with him in the park
AYar5: we pray 5 times a day
AYar5: it was late and the sun was falling
AYar5: and so he decided to pray at the park
AYar5: because he didn't have time to go home to pray
AYar5: so he did and there are two so-called "Muslims" who pass by him
AYar5: he is praying in front of a walkway
AYar5: and the two "Muslim" women pass in front of him
AYar5: and they curse at him...he hears them
AYar5: so they pass and then these other two ladies come by
AYar5: they are non-muslim
AYar5: one tells the other...
AYar5: "I think this guy seems to be praying...but I'm not sure...let's wait here till he's done...it might be rude to pass in front of him"
AYar5: so they waited
AYar5: my uncle was done
AYar5: and he thanked them and told them what he was doing and why it is not good to pass in front of someone who is praying
AYar5: moral
AYar5: the world is changing...there are good and bad in every society
AYar5: every religion perhaps
AYar5: whose intentions are good
AYar5: sorry I wasted your time
ononotagain: I wish we were all like that. considerate. thank you.
AYar5: just wanted to share that with you
AYar5: me too...you're welcome
ononotagain: may I publish that in Rattler?
AYar5:
AYar5: sure...if you'de like...sorry, I gave you a very short version
ononotagain: if you want to expand, I would be happy to publish it, in the spirit of reconciliation
AYar5: if everyone listened once in a while...they might understand
ononotagain: you know ratttler, a gossip sheet with punch
AYar5: well I don't feel like I can expand it well...I don't want to distort the truth of the story because I don't remember it well enough...this was told a few months after 9/11
ononotagain: add an explanation of why one shpouldn't pass before a person praying
ononotagain: it is short, punchy, and shows "consideration"...I LIKE it
AYar5: feel free to publish it if you like
AYar5: it taught me a lot about people
AYar5: and muslims are usually very tolerant
AYar5: and those that aren't tolerant...other muslims remind them to be tolerant
ononotagain: I have you added. when I publish , i will leave a link for you offline. thanks for the inspiration.
AYar5: in the Qur'an...there's a passage that warns us about "so-called Muslims"
AYar5: that they will tell you they are muslims
AYar5: but when they are with their friends...they will say they are only mocking muslims
AYar5: I appreciate it
AYar5: and you're welcome
ononotagain: <-atheist...I think all religions are deception, but live and let live
AYar5: I understand...but perhaps asking questions is not such a bad thing either
AYar5: good thing about muslims is that they don't press people to convert
AYar5: completely the choice of the believer
AYar5: atheists come to our room as well...mostly regular guests
ononotagain: well, there are differing perceptions of that. a lot of westeners think the Islam=submission is a threat. they don't "get" it
AYar5: well true...Islam = Submission to The Creator...they're right...but not in the sense that there is a type of control of muslims or brainwashing, etc
AYar5: and Muslim = Submitter
ononotagain: atheists have more chance of getting along with religious people, than people of any other religion.
AYar5: Muslims also have free will...just like all human beings
AYar5: yeah I've noticed that actually
ononotagain: ehehehe
AYar5: I'm not sure what your view is between Islam and Christianity...and I'm sorry you didn't get your answer questioned in the right manner
AYar5: perhaps next time you could visit again and I'll put more attention to it in the room
AYar5: and possibly bring in more knowledgable muslims to answer you
AYar5: you're more than welcomed
ononotagain: I do notice the sincere politeness among muslims. that is so comfortable
ononotagain: like you, now
ononotagain: I'm guessing you are muslim?
AYar5: well you're just as polite...not sure how else to react
AYar5: yes I am
ononotagain: I'm pretty lucky, I live in Western Australia, and the muslim community here is a well respected section of the community
AYar5: there are muslims who are tempered too...don't get me wrong...but they need to be reminded to be more tolerant...
ononotagain: but they remain a section
AYar5: do you have many muslim friends?
ononotagain: that takes a generation or two to changeAYar5: true...I prefer a metropolitan type of area where many people are mixed...I love learned about the cultures of other peoples
ononotagain: no, I know a few, none closely, but I eat at their retuarant, lolol
AYar5: lol...I'm guessing you like their food
ononotagain: the muslims here blend in, they are AMONG us, PART of us
AYar5: you can find me at some vietnamese restaurants
ononotagain: we don't wear badges
AYar5: I like that
AYar5: in the ancient times muslims and non-muslims lives amongst one another in peac
AYar5: peace*
AYar5: I wish the same was true today
AYar5: lived* rather
ononotagain: you'd love australia. despite all the bad press, we are pretty good at multiculturism. I have travelled the world, and we do it best
AYar5: yes I know...I have heard...I wish America was more like Australia
AYar5: I am Afghan...there are a lot of Afghans there in Australia
AYar5: I hear a lot about it
ononotagain: I have been to L.A. San Fran and 3 weeks cruising Fla.
AYar5: maybe one day I'll live amongst you as your neighbor
AYar5: what did you think of your visit here?
ononotagain: Afghanis BUILT Australia, they are revered here. without the camel trains, Australia would have foundered. We have museums in honour of Afghanis.
AYar5: lol
AYar5: I didn't know there was that much of a presence of Afghans in Australia...wow...lol
ononotagain: do you know the history? true, Afghanis are Aussie heroes
AYar5: not really...I wish I did
AYar5: tell me a story about Australia
AYar5: if you have the time
ononotagain: easteners see Australians as Englishmen abroad, we are NOT!
AYar5: really? wow
AYar5: well that's what I used to think anyway
AYar5: I know there's a lot of multicultural cities in Australia
ononotagain: In the last 30 years (abandoned the white australia policy) aust. has changed totally. we have absorbed MILLIONS of "other ethnicities" .
ononotagain: most of us LOVE IT... there are a few troublemakers
AYar5: see that's neat...I wish the world would do what Australia did
ononotagain: I LOVE it! .. but, right now that is under threat
AYar5: there used to be a time where there were no borders between countries...no green cards or passports...people came and went where they wanted to work or live
ononotagain: Ayar, are you IN afghanistan? or in exile
AYar5: and this was about maybe a little over 200 years ago I believe
AYar5: no, I am in America...I've been in America since I was 2 years old
ononotagain: george orwell wrote a book about today. "1984"
AYar5: my family escaped the Russian invasion
AYar5: I'm familiar with George Orwell
ononotagain: 2 years... if your parents are still with you, you should record their thoughts and write a book
AYar5: lol why is that?
ononotagain: thanks for the chat, AYar5 nice to meet you. we'll meet again. I'm going back to engage the haters, and undermine them with truth and logic.
ononotagain: everyone has a book in them
ononotagain:
AYar5: thank you for the chat...I enjoyed it onono
AYar5: any time onono...just let me know...I appreciate your sincerity and respect
ononotagain: I embrace Islam in Australia. all the muslims I know are better citizens than my fellow yobbos
AYar5: I appreciate that ononot...I'm sure there are good citizens in every corner of the world...muslims and non-muslims....may Allah guide them all on the most righteous path
ononotagain: I put it in text, so you see I am not 2 faced
AYar5: I understand...I would never think that...
AYar5: can I tell you a quick story?
AYar5: real life story
ononotagain: <-beyond religions, sorry.
AYar5: my taught me something important once...
AYar5: I understand...you'll like this one though, promise
AYar5: just trust me, if you please
ononotagain: wisdom trancends religion, and is to be found in many religions. but you need to take the good and discard the bad
AYar5: true...I agree...
ononotagain: ok, if it's a good story, I will publish it,
AYar5: well I will give you a short version
AYar5: so you don't get bored
AYar5: my uncle is a muslim
AYar5: he taught me something important one day
AYar5: he told me a story once...and it starts with him in the park
AYar5: we pray 5 times a day
AYar5: it was late and the sun was falling
AYar5: and so he decided to pray at the park
AYar5: because he didn't have time to go home to pray
AYar5: so he did and there are two so-called "Muslims" who pass by him
AYar5: he is praying in front of a walkway
AYar5: and the two "Muslim" women pass in front of him
AYar5: and they curse at him...he hears them
AYar5: so they pass and then these other two ladies come by
AYar5: they are non-muslim
AYar5: one tells the other...
AYar5: "I think this guy seems to be praying...but I'm not sure...let's wait here till he's done...it might be rude to pass in front of him"
AYar5: so they waited
AYar5: my uncle was done
AYar5: and he thanked them and told them what he was doing and why it is not good to pass in front of someone who is praying
AYar5: moral
AYar5: the world is changing...there are good and bad in every society
AYar5: every religion perhaps
AYar5: whose intentions are good
AYar5: sorry I wasted your time
ononotagain: I wish we were all like that. considerate. thank you.
AYar5: just wanted to share that with you
AYar5: me too...you're welcome
ononotagain: may I publish that in Rattler?
AYar5:
AYar5: sure...if you'de like...sorry, I gave you a very short version
ononotagain: if you want to expand, I would be happy to publish it, in the spirit of reconciliation
AYar5: if everyone listened once in a while...they might understand
ononotagain: you know ratttler, a gossip sheet with punch
AYar5: well I don't feel like I can expand it well...I don't want to distort the truth of the story because I don't remember it well enough...this was told a few months after 9/11
ononotagain: add an explanation of why one shpouldn't pass before a person praying
ononotagain: it is short, punchy, and shows "consideration"...I LIKE it
AYar5: feel free to publish it if you like
AYar5: it taught me a lot about people
AYar5: and muslims are usually very tolerant
AYar5: and those that aren't tolerant...other muslims remind them to be tolerant
ononotagain: I have you added. when I publish , i will leave a link for you offline. thanks for the inspiration.
AYar5: in the Qur'an...there's a passage that warns us about "so-called Muslims"
AYar5: that they will tell you they are muslims
AYar5: but when they are with their friends...they will say they are only mocking muslims
AYar5: I appreciate it
AYar5: and you're welcome
ononotagain: <-atheist...I think all religions are deception, but live and let live
AYar5: I understand...but perhaps asking questions is not such a bad thing either
AYar5: good thing about muslims is that they don't press people to convert
AYar5: completely the choice of the believer
AYar5: atheists come to our room as well...mostly regular guests
ononotagain: well, there are differing perceptions of that. a lot of westeners think the Islam=submission is a threat. they don't "get" it
AYar5: well true...Islam = Submission to The Creator...they're right...but not in the sense that there is a type of control of muslims or brainwashing, etc
AYar5: and Muslim = Submitter
ononotagain: atheists have more chance of getting along with religious people, than people of any other religion.
AYar5: Muslims also have free will...just like all human beings
AYar5: yeah I've noticed that actually
ononotagain: ehehehe
AYar5: I'm not sure what your view is between Islam and Christianity...and I'm sorry you didn't get your answer questioned in the right manner
AYar5: perhaps next time you could visit again and I'll put more attention to it in the room
AYar5: and possibly bring in more knowledgable muslims to answer you
AYar5: you're more than welcomed
ononotagain: I do notice the sincere politeness among muslims. that is so comfortable
ononotagain: like you, now
ononotagain: I'm guessing you are muslim?
AYar5: well you're just as polite...not sure how else to react
AYar5: yes I am
ononotagain: I'm pretty lucky, I live in Western Australia, and the muslim community here is a well respected section of the community
AYar5: there are muslims who are tempered too...don't get me wrong...but they need to be reminded to be more tolerant...
ononotagain: but they remain a section
AYar5: do you have many muslim friends?
ononotagain: that takes a generation or two to changeAYar5: true...I prefer a metropolitan type of area where many people are mixed...I love learned about the cultures of other peoples
ononotagain: no, I know a few, none closely, but I eat at their retuarant, lolol
AYar5: lol...I'm guessing you like their food
ononotagain: the muslims here blend in, they are AMONG us, PART of us
AYar5: you can find me at some vietnamese restaurants
ononotagain: we don't wear badges
AYar5: I like that
AYar5: in the ancient times muslims and non-muslims lives amongst one another in peac
AYar5: peace*
AYar5: I wish the same was true today
AYar5: lived* rather
ononotagain: you'd love australia. despite all the bad press, we are pretty good at multiculturism. I have travelled the world, and we do it best
AYar5: yes I know...I have heard...I wish America was more like Australia
AYar5: I am Afghan...there are a lot of Afghans there in Australia
AYar5: I hear a lot about it
ononotagain: I have been to L.A. San Fran and 3 weeks cruising Fla.
AYar5: maybe one day I'll live amongst you as your neighbor
AYar5: what did you think of your visit here?
ononotagain: Afghanis BUILT Australia, they are revered here. without the camel trains, Australia would have foundered. We have museums in honour of Afghanis.
AYar5: lol
AYar5: I didn't know there was that much of a presence of Afghans in Australia...wow...lol
ononotagain: do you know the history? true, Afghanis are Aussie heroes
AYar5: not really...I wish I did
AYar5: tell me a story about Australia
AYar5: if you have the time
ononotagain: easteners see Australians as Englishmen abroad, we are NOT!
AYar5: really? wow
AYar5: well that's what I used to think anyway
AYar5: I know there's a lot of multicultural cities in Australia
ononotagain: In the last 30 years (abandoned the white australia policy) aust. has changed totally. we have absorbed MILLIONS of "other ethnicities" .
ononotagain: most of us LOVE IT... there are a few troublemakers
AYar5: see that's neat...I wish the world would do what Australia did
ononotagain: I LOVE it! .. but, right now that is under threat
AYar5: there used to be a time where there were no borders between countries...no green cards or passports...people came and went where they wanted to work or live
ononotagain: Ayar, are you IN afghanistan? or in exile
AYar5: and this was about maybe a little over 200 years ago I believe
AYar5: no, I am in America...I've been in America since I was 2 years old
ononotagain: george orwell wrote a book about today. "1984"
AYar5: my family escaped the Russian invasion
AYar5: I'm familiar with George Orwell
ononotagain: 2 years... if your parents are still with you, you should record their thoughts and write a book
AYar5: lol why is that?
ononotagain: thanks for the chat, AYar5 nice to meet you. we'll meet again. I'm going back to engage the haters, and undermine them with truth and logic.
ononotagain: everyone has a book in them
ononotagain:
AYar5: thank you for the chat...I enjoyed it onono
Wednesday, February 22, 2006
SHITSPRING FOR BRAINS
Just had a fun encounter on the mic with saltspring. Now, I explained to shitspring that the current situation in Iraq is significantly worse than he tries to portray. First, the Kurds in the north, who were largely autonomous under the no-fly zone, have told the press that they have infiltrated the Iraqi army, and fully intend to take over large portions of northern Iraq and probably declare independence. I'm sure the rest of Iraq, not to mention Turkey, will have no problem with that whatsoever. Nope, no problem at all...
Then shitspring wants to convince us that the Iraqi army is growing stronger and more independent day by day. Of course, the reality is that the number of Iraqi army battalions capable of operating on their own has been dropping, not increasing. That doesn't sound like an improvement to me.
I had to laugh when shitspring claimed that by deposing Saddam Hussein we had defeated an ally of Bin Laden and Al Qaida. What? Not only did the secular authoritarian Saddam hate the Islamic fundamentalist Bin Laden, but the feeling was in fact quite mutual. I know people like shitspring are desperately hoping that this ill-advised invasion will lead to a liberal, western-friendly democracy, but all indications are that Shiite fundamentalist wackos like Moqtada Al Sadr are gaining popular support.
Now, what can shitspring say in response to what is well known about Iraq? Well, he cites a recent poll that shows that among Kurds and the Shia, the outlook is optimistic. Now, I ask you, what do the Kurds or Shia have to be depressed about? The Kurds will likely be independent, and the Shia will soon be in charge of the government, owing to their vastly superior numbers, and will be able to exact revenge on their Sunni oppressors as soon as we leave them alone to do so. I'd imagine that the Sunni insurgents aren't quite so sanguine about their future. shitspring tried to convince us that the insurgents were being beaten and would soon give up, but he couldn't offer any support for that. It's sort of like when Dick Cheney said back in May of 2005 that the insurgency was, "...in the last throes." Sorry, shitspring, I didn't believe him, and I don't believe you.
So, how can shitspring salvage his pitifully wrecked argument? Well, he just changes the subject, that's how. Can he do that? I guess he thinks he can. Instead of trying to defend himself on Iraq, shitspring is forced to whine about Afghanistan. Now, I never said anything about Afghanistan, and in fact, I support what we did there (Hell, I'd have liked it more if our dimbulb president had actually gotten Bin Laden like he promised, instead of improperly changing the focus to Iraq). So now this harlequin shitspring is waxing poetic about how much we've improved the lives of Afghan women, and isn't JC such a bastard because he doesnt'...sniff...care about..sniff...those poor Afghan girls...sniff sniff...WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH.
That's right, if you can't win on the facts, just accuse your opponent of being in league with the terrorist insurgents. That's all shitspring ultimately has. When we explain to him that Iraq was a mistake based on the president's lies, all he and his ilk can do is smear us. Look, jerkoff, we were right from the beginning, and you were wrong. When we are ultimately forced by logistics and manpower to leave Iraq, the Islamic fundamentalist government that takes over will be more of a threat to the United States than Saddam ever was. Thanks a lot, shitspring.
Ok, back up the Waahmbulance and get this guy out of here. You took a load of birdshot in the face, shitspring, and you lost this round so badly, you'll need a few days in intensive care.
JC
Then shitspring wants to convince us that the Iraqi army is growing stronger and more independent day by day. Of course, the reality is that the number of Iraqi army battalions capable of operating on their own has been dropping, not increasing. That doesn't sound like an improvement to me.
I had to laugh when shitspring claimed that by deposing Saddam Hussein we had defeated an ally of Bin Laden and Al Qaida. What? Not only did the secular authoritarian Saddam hate the Islamic fundamentalist Bin Laden, but the feeling was in fact quite mutual. I know people like shitspring are desperately hoping that this ill-advised invasion will lead to a liberal, western-friendly democracy, but all indications are that Shiite fundamentalist wackos like Moqtada Al Sadr are gaining popular support.
Now, what can shitspring say in response to what is well known about Iraq? Well, he cites a recent poll that shows that among Kurds and the Shia, the outlook is optimistic. Now, I ask you, what do the Kurds or Shia have to be depressed about? The Kurds will likely be independent, and the Shia will soon be in charge of the government, owing to their vastly superior numbers, and will be able to exact revenge on their Sunni oppressors as soon as we leave them alone to do so. I'd imagine that the Sunni insurgents aren't quite so sanguine about their future. shitspring tried to convince us that the insurgents were being beaten and would soon give up, but he couldn't offer any support for that. It's sort of like when Dick Cheney said back in May of 2005 that the insurgency was, "...in the last throes." Sorry, shitspring, I didn't believe him, and I don't believe you.
So, how can shitspring salvage his pitifully wrecked argument? Well, he just changes the subject, that's how. Can he do that? I guess he thinks he can. Instead of trying to defend himself on Iraq, shitspring is forced to whine about Afghanistan. Now, I never said anything about Afghanistan, and in fact, I support what we did there (Hell, I'd have liked it more if our dimbulb president had actually gotten Bin Laden like he promised, instead of improperly changing the focus to Iraq). So now this harlequin shitspring is waxing poetic about how much we've improved the lives of Afghan women, and isn't JC such a bastard because he doesnt'...sniff...care about..sniff...those poor Afghan girls...sniff sniff...WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH.
That's right, if you can't win on the facts, just accuse your opponent of being in league with the terrorist insurgents. That's all shitspring ultimately has. When we explain to him that Iraq was a mistake based on the president's lies, all he and his ilk can do is smear us. Look, jerkoff, we were right from the beginning, and you were wrong. When we are ultimately forced by logistics and manpower to leave Iraq, the Islamic fundamentalist government that takes over will be more of a threat to the United States than Saddam ever was. Thanks a lot, shitspring.
Ok, back up the Waahmbulance and get this guy out of here. You took a load of birdshot in the face, shitspring, and you lost this round so badly, you'll need a few days in intensive care.
JC
PRESIDENT DUH
I cannot believe the statements now being made by the Bush White House on this port sale flap. The president's spokespeople are now claiming that he didn't even know about this port sale until it was already a done deal, Tell me again how we are supposed to trust Bush and the GOP on terrorism? All I can see is that they want to illegally spy on American citizens, especially those who protest. For five years the president has been administering a spying operation in direct violation of federal law, and even when lawmakers tried to make this kind of spying legal, (as DeWine tried in 2002) the DOJ rebuffed such changes.
So now we have a president who is intent on listening in on the conversations of innocent Americans, but who can't raise his head long enough to notice a possible major breach in national security like this deal with the UAE? This ignorant, incompetent, worthless president puts us in more danger with each passing day. And his attempts to grab nearly unlimited power for himself is unconscionable. Every time in the past when this nation has faced grave threats, our leaders have known that we cannot lose the freedoms we fight for in order to ensure our safety. And, let's be realistic here, fighting terrorism is important, but is it the kind of threat the USSR was during the Cold War? Can these terrorists do what Hitler and the Axis were set to do in the 40s? No, of course not. And yet this tiny, useless little president we have now is trying to convince us that we should simply trust him not to abuse the powers he is desperate to gain?
I say, "No." And more than half of the people of this country agree with me.
JC
So now we have a president who is intent on listening in on the conversations of innocent Americans, but who can't raise his head long enough to notice a possible major breach in national security like this deal with the UAE? This ignorant, incompetent, worthless president puts us in more danger with each passing day. And his attempts to grab nearly unlimited power for himself is unconscionable. Every time in the past when this nation has faced grave threats, our leaders have known that we cannot lose the freedoms we fight for in order to ensure our safety. And, let's be realistic here, fighting terrorism is important, but is it the kind of threat the USSR was during the Cold War? Can these terrorists do what Hitler and the Axis were set to do in the 40s? No, of course not. And yet this tiny, useless little president we have now is trying to convince us that we should simply trust him not to abuse the powers he is desperate to gain?
I say, "No." And more than half of the people of this country agree with me.
JC
STANGS-SWANG SWING SWANG SWUNG
Now hear this: Now hear this:
Stangs-Swang waxes eloquent on the philosophy of education. Bores PT room into complete silence. Stangs-Swang Swings. Strike 1!
Stangs-Swang elucidates on why American colleges and universities are the "best in the world." From what premise does he reach his conclusion? Ignorance!! Yes, ignorance! Turns out Stangs-Swang knows LITTLE TO NOTHING about colleges and universities in other nations and uses that deplorable lack of enlightenment to make an official proclamation. Stangs-Swang swang. Strike 2!
Stangs-Swang goes public as being highly educated with a veritable alphabet soup suffix added to his name, you know, something like Stangs-Swang, BS, MBS, PhBS, then proceeded to demonstate his powerful grip on nirvana by accusing liberals of being uneducated, and by verbally assailing Carmen implying her education "at West Virginy University" was somehow lacking compared to his own larger-than-life consciousness. Carmen reminded us that Stangs appears wholly unfamiliar with the fact that liberals are typically more educated than neocons, but more importantly, we can unequivocally conclude that Stangs-Swang swung. Strike 3!
Swing, Swung Stangs-Swang, and another GOP lackey bobble-heads his way back to the bench smitten by his own neocon hijinks.
That is all.
vacreeper2003
Stangs-Swang waxes eloquent on the philosophy of education. Bores PT room into complete silence. Stangs-Swang Swings. Strike 1!
Stangs-Swang elucidates on why American colleges and universities are the "best in the world." From what premise does he reach his conclusion? Ignorance!! Yes, ignorance! Turns out Stangs-Swang knows LITTLE TO NOTHING about colleges and universities in other nations and uses that deplorable lack of enlightenment to make an official proclamation. Stangs-Swang swang. Strike 2!
Stangs-Swang goes public as being highly educated with a veritable alphabet soup suffix added to his name, you know, something like Stangs-Swang, BS, MBS, PhBS, then proceeded to demonstate his powerful grip on nirvana by accusing liberals of being uneducated, and by verbally assailing Carmen implying her education "at West Virginy University" was somehow lacking compared to his own larger-than-life consciousness. Carmen reminded us that Stangs appears wholly unfamiliar with the fact that liberals are typically more educated than neocons, but more importantly, we can unequivocally conclude that Stangs-Swang swung. Strike 3!
Swing, Swung Stangs-Swang, and another GOP lackey bobble-heads his way back to the bench smitten by his own neocon hijinks.
That is all.
vacreeper2003
Tuesday, February 21, 2006
HEY, YOUR DELUSIONS ARE IN MY HALLUCINATIONS!
You know, I don't know which is more amusing: Christocracy's demented desire to bring about a neofascist American theocracy, or his incessant 9/11 conspiracy theory ramblings. Isn't it great that we don't have to choose? We get it all in one heavily medicated package.
This makes me think that imilac100 is a total slacker. Look how Christocracy can maintain two completely seperate delusions simultaneously. Being crazy in only one way just doesn't cut it anymore.
JC
This makes me think that imilac100 is a total slacker. Look how Christocracy can maintain two completely seperate delusions simultaneously. Being crazy in only one way just doesn't cut it anymore.
JC
IT'S THE NATIONAL SECURITY, STUPID
Bobby McGee continues his anti-American tirade this evening labeling anyone opposed to Bush's "port deal" with the UAE as an "anti-arab." While Bobby looks at the issue as an economic one, most Americans agree that the issue is, in reality, a matter of national security. Bobby is so focused on defending the Arab world against the likes of Vic Ferrari (and rightfully so), he has seemingly lost his peripheral vision on all other topics concerning Arab-American relations. What Bobby fails to see in this matter is that it is inherently BAD POLICY to turn anything to do with our transportation hubs over to ANY foreign entity. While there may be an economic advantage to the UAE deal, such an agreement does not overcome the innate national security vulnerabilities found in port operations. It would be foolhardy to assign a foreign business interest a major role in US national security; if nothing else, it would create an even greater burden on NSA resources. I don't even want to surmise a worst case scenario! Then there is the question of accountability in the event of a "mishap."
The bottom line is this: Americans are best equipped to know what is in America's best interest where the nation's security is concerned. It is not prudent to rely upon virtual mercenaries to understand the whys and wherefores of protecting the United States. Perhaps Bobby needs to realize this isn't an "Arab thing;" it's well justified xenophobia in the broadest sense of the word.
The bottom line is this: Americans are best equipped to know what is in America's best interest where the nation's security is concerned. It is not prudent to rely upon virtual mercenaries to understand the whys and wherefores of protecting the United States. Perhaps Bobby needs to realize this isn't an "Arab thing;" it's well justified xenophobia in the broadest sense of the word.
SO SILLY
I can't believe some of the nonsense that comes out of Bobby McGee's mouth. Now, granted, for something he says to be extraordinarily stupid, well, that's a high bar to meet, isn't it? But Bobby was just up on the mic trying to claim that this UAE port sale flap is about international trade, not terrorism. Somehow, in Bobby's mind, because plenty of businesses and commodities in the Middle East are owned by foreign companies, it's no big deal (and the stink is, of course, based on zionist propaganda) for an arab nation to control our port security.
Holt shit, I just can't understand how someone could be so utterly and completely wrong on an issue. This company, DP World, is owned by the United Arab Emirates. And the UAE has been linked to both the terrorists who committed 9/11, and illegal nuclear proliferation. This isn't about commerce, it's about the safety and security of the United States.
Oh wait, I forgot. There were no 9/11 hijackers. Bush and Cheney flew remote controlled planes into the WTC. They must have been sitting out on the White House lawn in deck chairs, throwing back beers and thumbing little handheld joysticks. imilac100 has pictures...
JC
Holt shit, I just can't understand how someone could be so utterly and completely wrong on an issue. This company, DP World, is owned by the United Arab Emirates. And the UAE has been linked to both the terrorists who committed 9/11, and illegal nuclear proliferation. This isn't about commerce, it's about the safety and security of the United States.
Oh wait, I forgot. There were no 9/11 hijackers. Bush and Cheney flew remote controlled planes into the WTC. They must have been sitting out on the White House lawn in deck chairs, throwing back beers and thumbing little handheld joysticks. imilac100 has pictures...
JC
WHY SO ADAMANT?
AMERICAblog links to the latest in the UAE port sale flap. Apparently, Bush is set on having his first veto be on this issue. That's right, rather than limiting the copious piles of pork that corrupt GOP lawmakers have been scarfing, Bush wants to ensure that our port security is in the hands of a government that has both materially supported Al Qaida and provided safe passage to illicit nuclear technology as it makes its way to our staunchest enemies.
Now, I know plenty of PT conservatives who are as opposed to this move as many liberals, but I must say that the biggest surprise, to me (and frankly, it wasn't really all that surprising) is that there are still PT cons who are defending this criminally negligent president on this issue. I can't tell you how many wingnuts have asked me snidely, "Well how do you know the UAE supports terrorism?" Uh...hello? This is common knowledge. Are you so fanatical in your dedication to your cult leader that simple facts cannot penetrate the fog?
JC
Now, I know plenty of PT conservatives who are as opposed to this move as many liberals, but I must say that the biggest surprise, to me (and frankly, it wasn't really all that surprising) is that there are still PT cons who are defending this criminally negligent president on this issue. I can't tell you how many wingnuts have asked me snidely, "Well how do you know the UAE supports terrorism?" Uh...hello? This is common knowledge. Are you so fanatical in your dedication to your cult leader that simple facts cannot penetrate the fog?
JC
ARGUMENTUM AD LOL
Here's an example of the logical fallacies you see on PT:
This one would be the ever popular, "Argumentum ad LOL." If there is a rational argument somewhere in there, I sure as hell can't find it. Extra points for bringing in Clinton, though. The average Republican's obsession with Clinton's penis borders on the fetishistic. I half expect to turn on the news and see NewOrleansSOTA getting perp-walked with a jacket over his head after being caught in an elementary school janitor's closet grinding his crotch on a copy of Bill Clinton's My Life and moaning, "Ohhhh, Billy, come pet the monkey..."
And I have now officially creeped myself out. Good night!
JC
NewOrleansSOTA: you seem to love to hear yourselves talk, same ole, same ole, every day, every evening, every night, its so old. LOL
NewOrleansSOTA: LOL, you go to sleep crapping, you wake up crapping, you live crappy. LOL
NewOrleansSOTA: you liberal nuts know why its wrong, but you do it anyway, you have the morality of slick willie
NewOrleansSOTA: all of it, its all bull shit. LOL
NewOrleansSOTA: they remind me of a chicken yard, strutting around pecking at each other. LOL
NewOrleansSOTA: man, those liberal alligator tears are flowing tonight. LOL
NewOrleansSOTA: you liberals think your "support the troops, against the war" bullshit isn't going to become "troops are murderers, rapists, war criminals", you liberals are so predictable. LOL
NewOrleansSOTA: tomorrow, you're going to be calling those same troops, you cry alligator tears over, murderers, child killers, rapists, and war criminals, just like your kind did, with Nam troops.
This one would be the ever popular, "Argumentum ad LOL." If there is a rational argument somewhere in there, I sure as hell can't find it. Extra points for bringing in Clinton, though. The average Republican's obsession with Clinton's penis borders on the fetishistic. I half expect to turn on the news and see NewOrleansSOTA getting perp-walked with a jacket over his head after being caught in an elementary school janitor's closet grinding his crotch on a copy of Bill Clinton's My Life and moaning, "Ohhhh, Billy, come pet the monkey..."
And I have now officially creeped myself out. Good night!
JC
Monday, February 20, 2006
CHOPPING OUT RUNGS
Think Progress reports that, contrary to Dubya's mealy-mouthed promises, Pell Grants will be frozen for the 4th consecutive year. This after Bush repeatedly pledged to increase them. So, two points:
1. He's a liar.
2. Can any conservative explain to me how making it more difficult for people to go to college is in any sense consistent with the American Dream. Hey, all you dingbats who ask me in PT what our plans are, how about laying off the tax cuts for people who already have plenty of money and instead properly funding a college education for those who can't afford it? If your compassion is so corroded that this doesn't move you, consider self-interest: an educated workforce will create and maintain quality jobs here in America.
JC
1. He's a liar.
2. Can any conservative explain to me how making it more difficult for people to go to college is in any sense consistent with the American Dream. Hey, all you dingbats who ask me in PT what our plans are, how about laying off the tax cuts for people who already have plenty of money and instead properly funding a college education for those who can't afford it? If your compassion is so corroded that this doesn't move you, consider self-interest: an educated workforce will create and maintain quality jobs here in America.
JC
GOT THORAZINE?
Ok, mark this down, kids. It is exactly 4:00 pm EST, and yukondon has officially lost his mind. He is now screaming on the mic, and I'm a little scared. Where the hell did I put my tranquilizer gun?
JC
JC
CONSERVATISM? WHAT'S THAT?
Digby over at Hullabaloo is, as usual, dead-bang perfect in discussing Kevin Drum's review of Bruce Bartlett's new book. Bartlett's Imposter is all aout how Bush is a fake conservative. And Digby is absolutely right when he says that, for these people, conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed by leaders.
This despite the fact that, not only do conservatives rarely govern by conservative principles ,(unless one of those principles is ruthless aggression and torrential lying) but in fact most Americans do not endorse conservative ideals in opinion polls. People much prefer environmental protection to coddling business interests, they approve of universal healthcare, and, rather than approving of Bush's irresponsible tax cuts for the wealthy, most people believe that the rich are not paying their fair share (this belief also has the benefit of actually being true).
So, I would love to hear from any conservative how irresponsible tax cuts, explosive government spending, and disastrous foreign conflicts is in any way conservative.
JC
This despite the fact that, not only do conservatives rarely govern by conservative principles ,(unless one of those principles is ruthless aggression and torrential lying) but in fact most Americans do not endorse conservative ideals in opinion polls. People much prefer environmental protection to coddling business interests, they approve of universal healthcare, and, rather than approving of Bush's irresponsible tax cuts for the wealthy, most people believe that the rich are not paying their fair share (this belief also has the benefit of actually being true).
So, I would love to hear from any conservative how irresponsible tax cuts, explosive government spending, and disastrous foreign conflicts is in any way conservative.
JC
WAIT, YOU MEAN TORTURE IS WRONG?
Via AMERICAblog, the NYT has the story of yet another high military officer who saw the extent of the torture being committed in Gitmo and voiced his disgust. I'm sure that now all of the Bush backers will finally see how wrong they've been and realize that torture is wrong. Oh wait, this is all happening to brown people, and they're all terrorists? Who gives a fuck, right?
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Sunday, February 19, 2006
THIS IS THE POST THAT EXPLAINS THE POST...
And this is the post that exists to show MosesKnows how easy it is to post a post on a blog.
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LIAR IN CHIEF
Glenn Greenwald, posting on Crooks & Liars, looks at the massive discrepancies between what Dubya says in speeches and reality. Mainly on issues of war and terrorism, the media largely accepts that when Bush gives a major speech, (which they rush to televise in full) large portions of what he says bear no relationship to actual events or conditions.
That being so, you'd expect some pointed questions, such as, "Mr. President, why do you continue to characterize events in Iraq as moving toward peace and freedom, when the current political situation is empowering Islamic fundamentalists allied with Iran?" "Mr. President, why do you continue to call this conflict a "war", when officials like the AG insist before Congress that we are not, in fact, at war?" etc.
Oh wait, I forgot. The Chimperor does not deign to answer real questions from the press, and the WH press corp courtesans are too concerned about angering Karl Rove and being put in the corner like naughty kindergarteners to do their jobs.
JC
That being so, you'd expect some pointed questions, such as, "Mr. President, why do you continue to characterize events in Iraq as moving toward peace and freedom, when the current political situation is empowering Islamic fundamentalists allied with Iran?" "Mr. President, why do you continue to call this conflict a "war", when officials like the AG insist before Congress that we are not, in fact, at war?" etc.
Oh wait, I forgot. The Chimperor does not deign to answer real questions from the press, and the WH press corp courtesans are too concerned about angering Karl Rove and being put in the corner like naughty kindergarteners to do their jobs.
JC
Saturday, February 18, 2006
MORE ON THE LIBERAL MEDIA MYTH
Atrios comments on the myth of liberal media bias. Most roundtable discussions inevitably pit two or more dyed-in-the-wool conservative pundits against a journalist who, even if they have liberal leanings, will by no means fight for them. Where are the folks at the Center for American Progress? Where are columnists like Krugman? More than half the country thinks Bush is an incompetent liar. When will the news networks begin to speak to us?
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Thursday, February 16, 2006
Wednesday, February 15, 2006
DEBRIDING THE DEAD FLESH
I found this at MyDD through Eschaton, and I think PT liberals need to look at this story. Matt Stoller noticed that a GOP blogger had complained that the potential open-forum model of GOP-sponsored blogs was stifled because the head mucky-mucks insisted on strict message discipline.
Of course, the quoted (outed) conservative blogger tried to backpedal, but Stoller nailed the central issue: the GOP cannot let its vicious, racist base be heard, and they certainly can't let the beast rampage through the party. In the blogosphere, it's the bigots of Little Green Pusbags and FreeRepublikkk, and in PT it's Vic Ferrari, Conservative Atheist, saltspring, NewOrleansSOTA, etc, etc...
Can you imagine what it'd be like if the bilious, infected froth of PT wingnuttia was heard by moderate Americans, the real voters at play in the middle? They can pooh-pooh Man Coulter when they need to, but I would love to see the GOP lose control of the seething racist horde. Let America hear Vic Ferrari. We'll end up controlling Congress for another 40 years.
JC
Of course, the quoted (outed) conservative blogger tried to backpedal, but Stoller nailed the central issue: the GOP cannot let its vicious, racist base be heard, and they certainly can't let the beast rampage through the party. In the blogosphere, it's the bigots of Little Green Pusbags and FreeRepublikkk, and in PT it's Vic Ferrari, Conservative Atheist, saltspring, NewOrleansSOTA, etc, etc...
Can you imagine what it'd be like if the bilious, infected froth of PT wingnuttia was heard by moderate Americans, the real voters at play in the middle? They can pooh-pooh Man Coulter when they need to, but I would love to see the GOP lose control of the seething racist horde. Let America hear Vic Ferrari. We'll end up controlling Congress for another 40 years.
JC
WE DEMAND DENUNCIATIONS!
I wanted to link, as many other bloggers have, to Glenn Greenwald's saber point to the soft, fleshy mass that is Instapundit's hypocrisy. Basically, Glenn takes him to task for his previous insistence the Dems renounce every fringe leftist, while Ann Coulter, beloved harpy of the right, gets a pass for all of her extremist rhetoric.
And you all know that our favorite son of Social Issues, banjo boy Vic Ferrari, loves this tactic. He comes barrelling in to a room, trying desperately to pidgeonhole every liberal with the latest remarks by a political nonentity like Harry Belafonte or Ward Churchill. And, as for Ann, well, Vic is in just love with her (I forsee a murder-suicide...Vic is caressing his ladylove...runs his fingertips over an Adam's apple...). Any normal, sane person knows that Man Coulter is half-crazy, and yet her monstrous garbage is embraced by millions. It's the most bizarre double standard in modern politics, but we're through with it. Let that racist, psychotic harridan spew her venom. The next time Vic wants an apology for some obscure person's rant, do him like Cheney: Tell him to go fuck himself, then give him a shotgun blast to the face.
JC
UPDATE: Just saw this at Digby's on this topic. Oh hell, just go there and read everything. Why are you even here? Go away! Shoo!
And you all know that our favorite son of Social Issues, banjo boy Vic Ferrari, loves this tactic. He comes barrelling in to a room, trying desperately to pidgeonhole every liberal with the latest remarks by a political nonentity like Harry Belafonte or Ward Churchill. And, as for Ann, well, Vic is in just love with her (I forsee a murder-suicide...Vic is caressing his ladylove...runs his fingertips over an Adam's apple...). Any normal, sane person knows that Man Coulter is half-crazy, and yet her monstrous garbage is embraced by millions. It's the most bizarre double standard in modern politics, but we're through with it. Let that racist, psychotic harridan spew her venom. The next time Vic wants an apology for some obscure person's rant, do him like Cheney: Tell him to go fuck himself, then give him a shotgun blast to the face.
JC
UPDATE: Just saw this at Digby's on this topic. Oh hell, just go there and read everything. Why are you even here? Go away! Shoo!
CHENEY TIPPLING?
According to a link on Eschaton, MSNBC had a bombshell in it's account of the Cheney hunt, that the host of the party confirmed there was some drinking. The reference to beer was scrubbed, but the Intarweb never forgets...
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TDS ON CHENEY
Crooks & Liars has a clip from The Daily Show after Cheney shoots his hunting partner. Super funny, as usual. Go take a look.
JC
Tuesday, February 14, 2006
CHENEY DUCK HUNT
From AMERICAblog, they have some questions Dick Cheney needs to answer. Apparently, Scott McClellan knew at this mornings briefing about Whittington's heart attack, but kept it hidden. That, and more unanswered questions...
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UPDATE
Sorry about not posting recently. School just started a few weeks ago, so I'm busy more. I leave my name in PT, but I'm away from the keyboard much of the time. Also, there's TV. Do you realize that at any given moment there is a probability approaching 100% that there is either a Law & Order, L&O: SVU, L&O:CI, or CSI on some channel somewhere? Dizzying, I tells ya. Factor in Cold Case, Numb3rs, and NCIS, and you have a virtual free time black out.
Anyways, since I'm not actually listening to PT as much as before, but I do read all the good blogs regularly, I'm going to start linking to news stores or blog posts I think you should read. Believe me, if you aren't reading Digby or Glenn Greenwald, or checking in at AMERICAblog and Think Progress, you aren't truly informed. Oh, and don't worry, if Vic Ferrari says something dumb in a forest, and there's no one there to hear it, I'll still make fun of it.
JC
Anyways, since I'm not actually listening to PT as much as before, but I do read all the good blogs regularly, I'm going to start linking to news stores or blog posts I think you should read. Believe me, if you aren't reading Digby or Glenn Greenwald, or checking in at AMERICAblog and Think Progress, you aren't truly informed. Oh, and don't worry, if Vic Ferrari says something dumb in a forest, and there's no one there to hear it, I'll still make fun of it.
JC
FORGIVEN
I am happy to report that i am at peace with two people on pal talk, xxxmwxxx and yukondon. My fueds with both people turned out to be bulshit started by me listening to the wrong people. Also, it is my desire to step out from the limitations of the dem party. Th dems on pal tak are not giving me answers to the burning questions i have, but i am hearing answers from the green party people on paltalk. It was my mistake to shut my ear to them but not anymore....this is a hard choice to make but i must follow the progressive moment and the movement is looking greener each day. Maybe I should get off this jackass and look for greener places.
Please do not take this as a slam agaist my dem friends on paltalk, however in todays world it is hard to seperate the dems from the republicans. Still, there is a light at the end of this tunnel and i progress to find it.
Please do not take this as a slam agaist my dem friends on paltalk, however in todays world it is hard to seperate the dems from the republicans. Still, there is a light at the end of this tunnel and i progress to find it.
Tuesday, February 07, 2006
TAKING OUT THE TRASH
It seems to be Repressed Homosexuality Day again in MainStream (mark your calendars, kids):
Charming. And for his big finish, jay presented us with the following:
Shit, flag on the play, jay is gagged and ejected from the game. And remember, it used to be "nigger-lover". The more things change...
JC
jay_156: blake just say it ..."Jay please put your cock in my mouth"
jay_156: just break down and ask for my cock blake...you seem to need it so
Charming. And for his big finish, jay presented us with the following:
jay_156: and scot...you, as a low life muzzie sucking slut...will identify with anythign that says hello to you
Shit, flag on the play, jay is gagged and ejected from the game. And remember, it used to be "nigger-lover". The more things change...
JC
Monday, February 06, 2006
KINDERGARTEN LET OUT EARLY
This is priceless. I think Jungle just got home from preschool. I hope mommy was waiting for him at the door. He throws his bigboy puffy coat on the hall floor (it was chilly today!), kicks his lunchbox across the kitchen floor, and clambers up onto the stool to log on to PT:Jungle Bungle: president bush is authorizing survalance on known terroists opretavies hes not listening to you seditious horseshit vacreeper
Jungle Bungle: president bush is with in his exucitive right and is not analogus with the waterbreakin that is piss poor comparison you have a problem with anologies thats where you have a problem
Jungle Bungle: dont be stupid
Jungle Bungle: president bush is with in his exuctive right
Jungle Bungle: nixon was not
Jungle Bungle: of course he is thats why he is doing it guy
Jungle Bungle: president bush has every right to surviel the terroist operatives
Jungle Bungle: your cryiing wolf as a political ploy to the detriment of our country in its fight against terrosim
Jungle Bungle: it is a shame
Jungle Bungle: im not quoting any one im speaking common sence and truth
I love how Watergate break-in becomes "waterbreakin." For a second, I though he was talking about a Slip'n'Slide.
JC
Sunday, February 05, 2006
THE DUCK HAS A SITE
Yes the rumors are true. The duck has staretd up a new website http://www.socialsoldier.com please feel free to visit it when you are bored or are horney. Either one works!
Friday, February 03, 2006
RARE TREAT
peppi6 was just now able to coax and cajole MrArchieBunker up onto the mic in 2 Way. He treated us to a few sentences, and it was quite the imitation of life. Then I looked over and saw Brutelogic's lips moving, and his right arm was plunged up into Arch's nether regions. Now, that's either the worst ventriloquist I've ever seen, or a new paraphilia for the DSM-IV.JC
Wednesday, February 01, 2006
TALK ABOUT A COLD FISH
So, we're going over in sharp detail the myriad ways that Bush failed this nation in his response to Katrina. Bush had a responsibility to appoint competent personnel, monitor their performance, and he bears ultimate responsibility if the federal government fails (as he himself has said). In addition, Voo was kind enough to provide us with the specific language from Homeland Security that charges FEMA with specific and primary responsibility to coordinate relief efforts. They failed because Bush didn't do his job. Now, check out how MosesKnows tries to deflect blame with a Strawman:
Does he really think this is an argument? I think someone's been slipping mercury into his Cheerios.
JC
MosesKnows: a semi turned over on interstate 95 early this morning...neither president bush or jesus claus were available for comment.
Does he really think this is an argument? I think someone's been slipping mercury into his Cheerios.
JC
CORE SAMPLE
I checked the dipstick in 2 Way Politics tongiht, and this is what was stuck on:
Clearly, the wingnut gene pool is a wee bit shallow.
JC
Governor Brutelogic: Did anyone see hillarys Howdy Doodee smile?....... what a nurd
Clearly, the wingnut gene pool is a wee bit shallow.
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