After watching WWE pay per view in another room, I scrolled into a liberal room and I saw someone I have an unresolved issue with hanging in there. I was minding my own business and was suddenly attacked by this person for nothing. God, sometimes people wonder why I take long breaks from the social issues. Well, I just wish that this person would stop being such a "poorboy" and let us have it out and see what comes of it. Until then, I will continue to say something to him until we do hash it out. As faithful readers of this blog know, I am not one to cower to anyone and if this person has the GUTS to say something, my ears are open and I'm ready to talk this out. The time for petty bullshit is over and it's time to get serious about what we need to do to set the country in the right way.
It's like I told people before.....get out of the way or get your ass run over.
As Always it's your pleasure,
Z
Sunday, April 30, 2006
MORON THE LIBRARIAN
This:
...is a Pog. Pogs are stupid, but sometimes people think they're fun to play with. I mention them by way of introducing another stupid thing that's fun to play with, ProgressivePete, or Prog, as he's affectionately known. By someone. I hope. Because most of us can't stand the guy. I suspect that Proggie is employed as a librarian, because of how frequently he tells people to "go read," as a substitute for backing up his arguments. There he is, fumbling his way through the stacks, greasy comb-over beginning to peel off of his mottled scalp, trying to hold a shifting stack of books against his argyle sweatervest. Better act fast, ladies, this is a hot item!
Just pay attention to the wax and wane of Prog's snotty attitude. Every time someone questions his facts or analysis, he simply retorts, "You're so dumb, go read more, huh huh huh." OK, we get it. You're a dork. No need to over do it:
An amusing insult, to be sure. But note that Prog might be panicking a little here. He wanted to dazzle us with his brilliant analysis of Iran, and might have staggered a bit when I shifted the argument to Pakistan. He recovers, but clearly he's on unfamiliar ground, as will be demonstrated shortly:
And now we'll test Prog's undoubtedly voluminous knowledge of Pakistan and nuclear proliferation:
I love how str8tlk was feverishly trying to pass Prog a clue. I think you're wasting your time, str8, the Cluephone has been ringing off the hook at Prog's house for a very long time. For those of you playing our home game, the correct answer was...A. Q. KHAN!
I went back and calculated Prog's score:
Number of insults - 12.
Number of questions answered correctly - 0.
That's a pretty sorry performance, Proggie. You don't know who A. Q. Khan was. You don't know what happened on Bush's watch in North Korea. And you certainly don't know how to please a woman. You hit the trifecta!
JC
...is a Pog. Pogs are stupid, but sometimes people think they're fun to play with. I mention them by way of introducing another stupid thing that's fun to play with, ProgressivePete, or Prog, as he's affectionately known. By someone. I hope. Because most of us can't stand the guy. I suspect that Proggie is employed as a librarian, because of how frequently he tells people to "go read," as a substitute for backing up his arguments. There he is, fumbling his way through the stacks, greasy comb-over beginning to peel off of his mottled scalp, trying to hold a shifting stack of books against his argyle sweatervest. Better act fast, ladies, this is a hot item!Just pay attention to the wax and wane of Prog's snotty attitude. Every time someone questions his facts or analysis, he simply retorts, "You're so dumb, go read more, huh huh huh." OK, we get it. You're a dork. No need to over do it:
ProgressivePete: Someone explain to Jesus Claus how effective the Iraqi sanctions were now that we know what went on. Jesus Claus clearly cannot read. Somebody tell that dumbass.
vacreeper2003: Iraq was contained
evyunq: Pete, go ahead if you have the words.
ProgressivePete: Now Jesus Claus is going to explain how GWBush thinks. This guy needs to get off the mic and read and read. He's years behind.
ProgressivePete: Jesus Claus for President. End of World by 2010. Then nothing left to worry about.
veto kid: PROGRESSIVEPETE= PP
ProgressivePete: This guy coming up next? I bet you $4000.23 he says he agrees
ProgressivePete: The Taliban made lots of terrorist threats if the USA attacked them. We did. They didn't.
Jesus Claus: pete, the taliban are not the Iranians
vacreeper2003: The Taliban spent time with Bush at his faux-ranch
Jesus Claus: apples and oranges
ProgressivePete: Jesus Claus. And I am not Freddy Fender.
ProgressivePete: So what? Same concept
Jesus Claus: no, not same concept
Jesus Claus: not even close
ProgressivePete: Iran can't do squat... but if they got NUKES. Well, then of course, they could threaten everyone
ProgressivePete: Jesus Claus. How do you feel about terrorists with nukes?
ProgressivePete: Just asking.
Jesus Claus: pete, how do you feel about loose nukes?
ProgressivePete: Jesus. I asked you a question. Please answer. How do you feel about terrorists with nukes?
Jesus Claus: we must do whatever we can to keep mukes out of the hands of stateless terrorists
ProgressivePete: Jesus Claus. Do you actually think that Iran won't supply a terrorist with a nuke? Be serious when you answer this one.
Jesus Claus: hi consider pakistan a far bigger threat
Jesus Claus: I
Jesus Claus: and we are allied with them
vacreeper2003: Pakistan tested an ICBM last week
Jesus Claus: so, what do you want done about them?
vacreeper2003: sucessfully tested that is
ProgressivePete: Jesus. The leader in Pakistan holds the reigns there. He is no terrorist. The leaders in Iran ARE. You need to think about this Iranian situation a little more deeply.
Jesus Claus: how is he no terrorist?
Jesus Claus: he is a military dictator
vacreeper2003: Pakistan is a military dictatorship
Jesus Claus: who murders and tortures his own people
plastermaster: Mushareff isnt a terrorist??....then you would agree Saddam wasnt either?..what a fool statement
Jesus Claus: He's fucking saddam, you moron
vacreeper2003: Pakistani governments don't last long
Jesus Claus: neither do Iranian
ProgressivePete: Jesus. Again you amaze me with your ignorance. Look up Musarrif and his background. You are so dumb it is constantly surprising you can speak at all.
An amusing insult, to be sure. But note that Prog might be panicking a little here. He wanted to dazzle us with his brilliant analysis of Iran, and might have staggered a bit when I shifted the argument to Pakistan. He recovers, but clearly he's on unfamiliar ground, as will be demonstrated shortly:
Jesus Claus: pete, we all know exactly who this guy is
vacreeper2003: Musarrif is a military dictator - he overthrew an elected government
Jesus Claus: you might want to go back to the books
Jesus Claus: especially if you don't want to talk anymore
Jesus Claus: don't ask me questions if you don't like the answers
ProgressivePete: Jesus. Apparently you think he is a terrorist. He isn't. Only YOU can make yourself less stupid than you are.
Jesus Claus: pete, do you know what a madrassa is?
Jesus Claus: Pakistan allows madrassas to run that train terrorists
Jesus Claus: Pakistani ISI is connected to Bin Laden
veto kid: PROGRESSIVEPETE=PP
Jesus Claus: Bin Laden is most likely under their protection in northern pakistan
ProgressivePete: The nukes in Pakistan are NOT getting into terrorist hands.
ProgressivePete: Any nukes in Iran would.
DommieGoddess: veto...nuffin wrong wif a pee pee
Jesus Claus: now, since Bin Laden killed 3000 of my fellow New Yorkers, do NOT try to tell me who is and isn't a terrorist
Jesus Claus: explain why, in detail, pete
Jesus Claus: including how you came to know for certain
Jesus Claus: thanks
ProgressivePete: Jesus Claus. That you know one person who is a terrorist, makes you know all that are?
Jesus Claus: tell us how you know musharref wouldn't provide nukes to terrorists
And now we'll test Prog's undoubtedly voluminous knowledge of Pakistan and nuclear proliferation:
Jesus Claus: pete, do you know who gave nuclear tech to Iran?
Jesus Claus: do you know the name of the man?
Jesus Claus: type his name
Jesus Claus: no one else
ProgressivePete: Jesus. Probably Russia, then N. Korea
Jesus Claus: just pete
Jesus Claus: no
Jesus Claus: we know a man who gave Iran nuke tech
Jesus Claus: do you know his name
Jesus Claus: ?
Jesus Claus: No one help pete
Jesus Claus: pete, do you know?
Jesus Claus: can you name this man?
ProgressivePete: Oh please... Jesus. Next you are going to tell me "it's TRUE, I read it on Alex Jones' site!!"
Jesus Claus: Pete, please name the man the US GOVT knows gave nuclear tech to Iran
Jesus Claus: a man who is now under house arrest in his country
Jesus Claus: do you know his name?
ProgressivePete: the guy from Pakistan is ONLY one guy
Jesus Claus: what is his name?
str8tlk: claus give him a hint
ProgressivePete: Most of what they have didn't come from him
Jesus Claus: can you name him?
ProgressivePete: I don't know his name, nor do I care. Iran just got missle tech from N. Korea
Jesus Claus: i see
Cantremembermypassword: PP is "googling" one moment please
str8tlk: think of a star trek movie
ProgressivePete: I don't care where they get it, I only care they don't succeed in MAKING nukes
Jesus Claus: so, one of the major players in nuclear proliferation
Jesus Claus: and you don't know who he is
Jesus Claus: I'm glad you aren't giving State Dept briefings
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahahah
ProgressivePete: Jesus Claus. You make a big deal of trivialities, and ignore NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN HANDS OF TERRORISTS.
Jesus Claus: "Oh, it's that guy, you know, that guy, what's his name?"
Diogenic: The head of Pakistan's nuclear program did mention, in an interview, that he got tech support from N. Korea, and gave some to Islamic nations, including Iran. Ironiclly, he's still on the job, despite his "loose tongue".
Jesus Claus: ah, I see Google came through where your brain did not, Pete
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahaha
ProgressivePete: Jesus Claus. I really don't care what his name is. I am serious. I don't care. I care that Iran doesn't get nukes. You have your priorities really screwed up.
I love how str8tlk was feverishly trying to pass Prog a clue. I think you're wasting your time, str8, the Cluephone has been ringing off the hook at Prog's house for a very long time. For those of you playing our home game, the correct answer was...A. Q. KHAN!
Jesus Claus: did you care that North Korea not get nukes?
Jesus Claus: cause that didn't work out
Jesus Claus: how about the loose nukes left after the collapse of the USSR?
Jesus Claus: care about those?
ProgressivePete: Clinton gave them the technology faster than I could keep up with it. I didn't realize we had such a bad President. I knew he was bad, but not THAT bad.
Jesus Claus: how about Bush letting India work freely on more nukes?
Jesus Claus: hahahahahaha
Jesus Claus: Clinton, huh?
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahaha
Jesus Claus: of course
ProgressivePete: Jesus Claus. Come on. India and Pakistan have had nukes for over 30 years
Jesus Claus: always, it comes back to Clinton
veto kid: LOL
Jesus Claus: always always always
Cantremembermypassword: i was wondering when the "Clinton did it" phrase would be used
veto kid: TRUE
Jesus Claus: did Bush make any mistakes in your opinion over NK?
Jesus Claus: any at all?
veto kid: FOOLS
Cantremembermypassword: are sick
Jesus Claus: or is everything Clinton's fault?
Funk This: has bush ever made a mistake?
evyunq: Someone please give Bush a blowjob so we can impeach him.
veto kid: HERE HERE
ProgressivePete: Just go with the U.N. on nukes Jesus Claus. The U.N. has said the same thing about countries getting nukes for years and years and years. Do you know what their policy is? I bet not.
Jesus Claus: So, can you answer?
Jesus Claus: In your opinion, did Bush make mistakes over NK?
Jesus Claus: and if so, elaborate
ProgressivePete: Jesus. You are getting dumber by the minute. You asked about N. Korea. I answered. You didn't like the truth. Now you are angry. So? What is the U.N. policy on countries getting nukes?
Jesus Claus: No, you answer me first
Jesus Claus: Can you name and describe any mistakes Bush made over NK?
ProgressivePete: If you answer MINE, I will be glad to.
Jesus Claus: or is the extent of your answer "CLINTONDIDITTOO!"
Funk This: CLAUS ASKED FIRST YOU DUMBASTARD
ProgressivePete: I just feel you have given up Jesus Claus, because you are exposed as an ignoramous.
Jesus Claus: He's right, I did ask my question first
ProgressivePete: Bush knows better than to have military conflict with a madman with a nuke.
ProgressivePete: That answer your question?
Jesus Claus: listen, your insults are top notch, pete
Jesus Claus: but your answers leave something to be desired
Jesus Claus: no, pete, that doesn't answer the question
Jesus Claus: not by a long shot
ProgressivePete: So answer MY question now Jesus Claus, if you can.
ProgressivePete: I bet you can't tho. Because you know so little about foreign affairs, you don't want to let on how ignorant you really are.
Jesus Claus: you didn't answer mine correctly, pete
ProgressivePete: I knew it.
ProgressivePete: I knew it.
Jesus Claus: You messed it up
Jesus Claus: the question was, what mistakes did Bush make TO ALLOW NK to get nukes
Jesus Claus: and you didn't answer it
Jesus Claus: because you apparently don't know
ProgressivePete: Jesus Claus. Many others in this room actually know the answer to my U.N. question. And they were watching you on this.
ProgressivePete: They know your silence means one thing
ProgressivePete: You don't know
Jesus Claus: For example, pete, did you know that Kim Jong Il kicked IAEA inspectors out of NK?
Jesus Claus: did you know that?
Jesus Claus: because their plutonium fuel rods were under IAEA observation under lock and key
ProgressivePete: the IAEA is the UNITED NATIONS, moron. Did you know that the U.N. is not the U.S.A?
ProgressivePete: Moron?
Jesus Claus: did you know that, pete?
Jesus Claus: yes or no?
Jesus Claus: was the first time you knew that when I said it?
Jesus Claus: listen, everyone knows that countries are allowed to use nuclear tech for power but not weapons
Jesus Claus: can you answer my question now?
Jesus Claus: pete, do you or do you not know what happened when Bush named NK as a member of the Axis of Evil?
Jesus Claus: well?
ProgressivePete: Jesus Claus. You are laughable. You really do get all your "info" from Alex Jones, fess up now.
ProgressivePete: Funk. We know what Kim Jong Il said. Of course Kim Jong Il always tells the truth doesn't he... Oh come on guys, don't be complete raving ignoramouses.
Jesus Claus: I think we are done here
ProgressivePete: Jesus. You are certainly DONE
ProgressivePete: LOL
MrArchieBunker: LOL Pete
Jesus Claus: NK was allowed to complete construction oh 4-8 nukes as a result of Bush's inaction
ProgressivePete: Arch... it always amazes me how liberals can talk so much and know so little.
Jesus Claus: in response to Bush's aggressive posture, Il broke seal on the plutonium rods, took them to the nuclear facility, and completed his nukes
MrArchieBunker: Oh, they love to talk Pete
RichardCranial: you mean because of carter and clinton inaction jesus
Jesus Claus: Bush, his team paralyzed by indecision, did nothing
ProgressivePete: Jesus Claus... REALLY? And that's the truth of it eh? You are such a dupe...
Jesus Claus: i think you're a little confused on how nuclear prolif works
RichardCranial: what did carter albright and clinton do?
Jesus Claus: I think this latest debacle deserves to be memorialized
ProgressivePete: Jesus Claus. You need more time to read the now very old Nuclear Non-Proliferation policies of the United Nations. Don't cheat yourself of your belated education. If you can read, there is HOPE for you Jesus Claus. Try the UN site
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahaha
Funk This: pete, your obviously not a moron, but you certainly are an ignorant
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahaha
I went back and calculated Prog's score:
Number of insults - 12.
Number of questions answered correctly - 0.
That's a pretty sorry performance, Proggie. You don't know who A. Q. Khan was. You don't know what happened on Bush's watch in North Korea. And you certainly don't know how to please a woman. You hit the trifecta!
JC
CAN YOU FEEL THE CONSERVO-LOVE?
MrArchieBunker: Another piece of 60's trash died a a couple of weeks ago, Wm. Sloan Coffin
Sometimes, I really wonder how conservatives live with so much hatred sluicing through their synapses. Doeasn't it corrode the pipes after awhile? MrArchieBunker demonstrates the way conservatives show respect for the recently deceased. Rev. William Sloane Coffin was a peace activist who opposed the Vietnam War, fought for civil rights, and worked toward nuclear disarmament. I know, I know, what a piece of garbage, right?
Remember a few weeks ago when conservative lunkheads got their panties in a wad over the unconscionable tenor of Coretta Scott King's funeral. Never mind that Coretta and MLK believed in using every opportunity to fight for social justice. To these pearl-clutching wingnut biddies, it was an outrage, an outrage, I tell you! Never mind that they often used disgusting racist code attacks like RedState blogger (and nascent plagiarizing Washington Post blogger-boy) Ben Domenech attacking Coretta as a "communist", the way the KKK liked to.
And yet again, we find a conservative who, once out of public view, thinking himself safe, sheds his skin and becomes the base, nasty snake we know most of them are. MrArchieBunker, chortling and frothing in glee at the deaths of his political opponents. Well, one good thing comes out of this. At least we now know MrArchieBunker for who, and what, he truly is.
JC
A POVERTY OF IDEAS
JC SMASH!!!This post requires some additional material to get the full effect. So, if you will follow along at on this table from the US Census Bureau, the debate will make a lot more sense:
MosesKnows: listening to liberals rally for their only solution which is always throwing money at the problem can get disgusting after a while.
Jesus Claus: MK, hearing conservatives justify taking money from children makes me sick
peace_path: i agree JC
gogo_12: moses throw money at Corps and you have greed and 3.00 a gal gas
MosesKnows: some people, mainly liberals, favor helping people without any expectations from those being helped....in that fashion they ensure an endless supply of people in need of their help.
CowgirlUp85: well said Jesus
Jesus Claus: silly, MK
CowgirlUp85: what would Jesus spend his money on?
Jesus Claus: how can you use such nonsens to justify taking money from children?
peace_path: there will always be someone in need MK
CowgirlUp85: people or capitalism........ummm?
Jesus Claus: MK, it is a critical need to make sure children are spent on to ensure a good upbringing
fuzzybear45: it not that libs want to help the poor and Con dont it that one think it is only the goverment is the olny way to effect help the poor and other dont
MosesKnows: what liberals run away from is the fact that govt helping people is about the most harmful thing that can be done to people in need of help.
paldaniel: meses,,,do you think you are masking your greed?
Jesus Claus: fuzzy, exactly
Jesus Claus: what nonsense, MK
Jesus Claus: helping children eat is bad?
Jesus Claus: helping mothers with child care so they can work is bad?
fuzzybear45: the goverment is not the only way to help the poor
peace_path: shame on politicians, etc whom cut /take food from kids.. all those food programs
Jesus Claus: giving children medical care is bad?
MosesKnows: jesus - as i said, the liberals run away from the facts....
Jesus Claus: what facts?
Jesus Claus: you offer no facts
fuzzybear45: nor is it the right insetution to use as your primary form of help for the poor
Jesus Claus: you offer selfishness
gogo_12: conservites idea is to fuck who you can to make a buck
star432_1: We need to turn off programs that fill our children with the thoughts tht fill their minds /or tremendous amount of self-control.
MosesKnows: jesus - lol...has you unselfishness increased or decreased poverty with the several trillion dollars spent on these misguided liberal social welfare experiments you liberals call assistance?
Jesus Claus: absolutely decreased
Jesus Claus: SS decreased poverty
MosesKnows: jesus - lol....even you and all your bull couldn't sell that argument....lol
Jesus Claus: ss reduced poverty
Jesus Claus: medicaid reduced poverty
ononotagain: my dog is barking at psychs Knocking
MosesKnows: jesus - lol
Jesus Claus: The Great Society certainly reduced poverty
paldaniel: you are an open book moses,,,pure selfishness
MosesKnows: jesus - you get funnier and funnier...
Jesus Claus: The Great Society cut black poverty in half
Jesus Claus: thar stats speak for themselves
Jesus Claus: poverty has markedly decreased
Jesus Claus: Moses, look at this data
Jesus Claus: http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/histpov/hstpov2.html
Jesus Claus: Great Society began mid 60's
Jesus Claus: poverty rate before ~20%
Jesus Claus: poverty rate after ~10%
Jesus Claus: QED
Jesus Claus: in fact, according to that table, MK
Jesus Claus: poverty was around 11%, but started going up in 1980
Jesus Claus: what happened in 1980?
Jesus Claus: poverty rates were cut from 20% to 11% in the 60's and 70's
Jesus Claus: poverty went up in 1980
Jesus Claus: poverty rose to a max of 15% in 1993
Jesus Claus: then went down under Clinton
Jesus Claus: Clinton had poverty down up to 2000
Jesus Claus: then, Dubya got it rising again
MosesKnows: jesus - the link you gave indicates that poverty percentages INCREASED thru 2004 which is as far as the data shows.
Jesus Claus: so, you are proven wrong, MK
Jesus Claus: yes, they did increase
Jesus Claus: under Bush
ononotagain: Jesus Claus: then went down under Clinton didn't everybody?
Jesus Claus: Bush has poverty rising
Jesus Claus: hahaha ono
Jesus Claus: this data is pretty clear, MK
MosesKnows: jesus - lol..did you give me 1 link and yourself another....the link you gave me clearly shows an increase in poverty.
Jesus Claus: Poverty down b/c of Great Society
circumspect1: and the section 8 housing
Jesus Claus: Poverty up under Reagan
Jesus Claus: Poverty down under Clinton to a low of 11.3 in 2000
Jesus Claus: Povery now moving up under Bush
circumspect1: reagan
Jesus Claus: is this confusing, MK?
Jesus Claus: look at the trends
Jesus Claus: if this were a graph, povery would go down after Great Society
Jesus Claus: then up under Reagan and Bush
Jesus Claus: then down under CLinton
Jesus Claus: then back up under Bush
Jesus Claus: get it?
MosesKnows: jesus - your argument was that poverty was decreased, my argument was that poverty increased....why are you giving me links that support my position by showing that poverty increased...and then you post in text that poverty increased.
Jesus Claus: the price we pay for letting kids suffer outweighs your desire to judge
Jesus Claus: MK, are you not able to interpret that chart?
Jesus Claus: MK, what was the poverty rate at the beginning of the chart?
Jesus Claus: MK, the chart proves me 100% right
Jesus Claus: in fact, the chart CANNOT mean what you say
MosesKnows: MosesKnows: jesus - lol...has you unselfishness increased or decreased poverty with the several trillion dollars spent on these misguided liberal social welfare experiments you liberals call assistance? Jesus Claus: absolutely decreased
Jesus Claus: because the rate is the rate at the beginning is 22.4%
Jesus Claus: and at the end is 12.7%
Jesus Claus: so even if you drew a straight line, poverty has decreased
Jesus Claus: right, MK
Jesus Claus: is moving from 22.4 to 12.7 an increase or a decrease?
Jesus Claus: well, MK?
Jesus Claus: is 22.4 to 12.7 an increase or a decrease?
Jesus Claus: simple question
Jesus Claus: read the table, MK
binky110: 22.4 to 12.7 is a decrease if those are percentages
Jesus Claus: 22.4 to 12.7
Jesus Claus: ty binky
Jesus Claus: but the table is not so simple
Jesus Claus: the rate reduced from ~20% to ~10% because of the Great Society
Jesus Claus: see that, MK?
Jesus Claus: then, poverty started going up, under Reagan
Jesus Claus: it went up until 1993, when it began dropping under CLinton
Jesus Claus: then it bottomed out in 2000 and started going up again
Jesus Claus: so, MK, what is your answer?
Jesus Claus: you have the chart
Jesus Claus: look at the figures
Jesus Claus: and tell me poverty does not decrease under "liberal" policies
At this point, it should be obvious that Moses either cannot read simple tables, or is being tendentiously dishonest by denying that the table says what it clearly in fact says. The numbers looming so oppressively over him, he desperately lunges for a lifeline:
MosesKnows: jesus - lol...it cannot be done that simply over such a long period of time...the definitions of poverty have changed to often over that long period of time....
Jesus Claus: is that so?
Jesus Claus: i don't think you know that
Jesus Claus: the amount of the poverty level does change
Jesus Claus: relative to inflation
Jesus Claus: but has the definition changed?
Jesus Claus: can you provide evidence for that contention?
MosesKnows: jesus - is it then your contention that since less people are below the poverty less liberal welfare programs are required?
Jesus Claus: MK, poverty is increasing
binky110: poverty is definatly increasing
Jesus Claus: so clearly, the policy remedy would be to do what was working under CLinton
Jesus Claus: which is clearly not tax cuts for the wealthy
MosesKnows: jesus - okay, if poverty is increasing is it then your contention that since more people are below the poverty more liberal welfare programs are required?
Jesus Claus: so, Mk, do you admit that poverty is increasing under Bush?
Jesus Claus: actually, it isn't those programs that cause poverty
Jesus Claus: the programs ADDRESSS the poverty
MosesKnows: jesus - yes.
Jesus Claus: they do not cause it
Jesus Claus: MK, if you were correct, then enactment of the Great Society, a major welfare program would have INCREASED poverty
Jesus Claus: but it did not
Jesus Claus: it decreased it
Jesus Claus: so, there you go
MosesKnows: jesus - okay, if poverty is increasing under president bush is it then your contention that since more people are below the poverty level more liberal welfare program funding is are required?
Jesus Claus: yes, properly funding those programs woudld be a good idea
Jesus Claus: especially school lunches, food stamps for families with kids, and medicaid helth care for kids
Jesus Claus: children should not suffer because they were born into poverty
Jesus Claus: don't you agree?
MosesKnows: jesus - no, i don't agree, when it comes to federal govt assistance....being born poor has created more people that wanted to excel than all your liberal welfare programs combined.
Jesus Claus: MK, your contention is not based on facts
Jesus Claus: as you saw, enactment of The Great Society reduced poverty
Jesus Claus: so giving money to poor people reduced their poverty
Jesus Claus: what a concept
Jesus Claus: also, the job growth under Clinton, sustained by realistic tax policy, helped people out of poverty
MosesKnows: jesus - funding for the great society also robbed the social security trust fund...they are consequences to federal govt funding of unconstitutional programs has a downside....first of all, the great society was unncessary.
Jesus Claus: see, republicans like to ignore or demonize poor people
Jesus Claus: as Reagan did
ononotagain: MOSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! soc.sec. was secure until Bush
Jesus Claus: how was it unnecessary?
Now MK invents a new type of argument, one which I have named the Argumentum ad Cantor Papillas Amplus, or the Argument from Big-Breasted Singer:
MosesKnows: jesus - was dolly pardon ever poor?
Jesus Claus: MK, we are making an argument with stats
Jesus Claus: anecdotes do not help
Cardinal_Fang: Moses .. Military spending is currently 6 times what iot costs to fix social security .. money taken from you , to hurt others , for reward for a few
Jesus Claus: and how do you know Dolly Parton's family did not receive government assistance?
Jesus Claus: isn't it likely they did?
MosesKnows: jesus - government statistics are like a fine perfume....meant to be sniffed, but never inhaled.
Brizter: Dolly Parton had a couple of big hits
MosesKnows: jesus - it is far more likely that they did not.
Jesus Claus: really?
Jesus Claus: can you prove that?
Jesus Claus: I'd love to see it
MosesKnows: jesus - yes, i beleive i can prove it...from her biography...can you prove they did receive govt assistance?
ononotagain: demonising welfare recipients is stupid! Every human deserves a fair share of the worlds resources. Poor people are what keeps YOU in your elitist position. DON'T DESTROY YOUR BASE
Jesus Claus: we have a progressive taxation system
MosesKnows: cardinal - are you agreeing that social security needs fixing?
Jesus Claus: MK, you brought it up
Jesus Claus: but I will remind you that anecdotal evidence is of limited value here
Cardinal_Fang: No .. I am saying the money was robbed to give to the Carlyle Group .. and America should use r.i.c.c.o. stautes to get it back
MosesKnows: jesus - no, you brought it up. Jesus Claus: and how do you know Dolly Parton's family did not receive government assistance?
Cardinal_Fang: Bush sold America ''down the river''
Jesus Claus: no, you brought it up MosesKnows: jesus - was dolly pardon ever poor?
Jesus Claus: you raised an anecdotal point
ononotagain: Bush and his henchmen have BUSTED the soc.sec. lockbox, and STOLEN our grandchildrens security
Jesus Claus: but that is not definitive
Jesus Claus: unless you can show it relates to the larger numbers
MosesKnows: jesus - what does that question have to do with her family receiving govt assistance....be honest
Jesus Claus: your anecdote could very easily be an anomoly
Jesus Claus: MK, can you address the data?
Cardinal_Fang: Moses .. can you deny military spending has taken from social security? Or will you try to blow that off somehow?
Jesus Claus: a single anecdote is not relevant
Jesus Claus: also, MK, Bush's tax cuts, if revoked, would easily pay for the SS shortfall
Cardinal_Fang: Military spending has not benefitted americans in general ... just a few within the military undustrial complex
Cardinal_Fang: It keeps americans poor
MosesKnows: jesus - oh, is there a social security shortfall...when did you give in to that position?
Jesus Claus: MK, I have long suggested increasing the ceiling of the payroll tax to solve the shortfall
Jesus Claus: Dems have alwyas acknowledged the shortfall
Jesus Claus: always
Jesus Claus: the issue is, how to address it
Jesus Claus: not whether it exists
Jesus Claus: capisce?
MosesKnows: i have to leave in a moment....those who want credit for running me from the room please get in line.
Jesus Claus: MK, again, the poverty statistics prove me right
gofigure_1: ok moses....me first............LOL
MosesKnows: jesus - take a number
Jesus Claus: i'll post the debate, MK, so others can see it
That was a bloodbath, my friends. Good thing none of the blood was mine. I think MosesKnows gets himself in trouble because he is so fanatically dedicated to this radical conservative ideology. John Kenneth Galbraith, a famous liberal economist who died earlier today, said it best:
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."
JC
Friday, April 28, 2006
WHY DO YOU MAKE ME HURT YOU?
Yet again, coops_13 crosses swords with the master, and yet again he is humiliated. This is like blocking a kid with your outstretched hand while tiny fists flail impotently. Seriously, coopsy, if you crave degradation so much, there are places you can go to pay for it by the hour:
How does he manage to step in it so completely every damn time? The guy has been on PalTalk what seems like no more than a few weeks, and yet he immediately and unerringly finds the most moronic thing to say at any given moment. If you could imbue a metal detector with that directional sense, you'd find enough gold coins to buy a fake medical degree from wherever coopsy got his...
JC
Jesus Claus: if you can't ensure that innocent people won't be killed, you can't support the Death penalty
coops_13: Jesus ...
coops_13: it's
coops_13: insure
coops_13: not ensure
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahahahhahaha
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Just_April1974: lol
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahahaha
Jesus Claus: Ensure - To make sure or certain
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahaha
Jesus Claus: STRIKE TWO!
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahahaha
Jesus Claus: I can ENSURE you fucked up again, loser!
coops_13: poor Jesus ....
Just_April1974: lol
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahahaha
coops_13: usued ensure improperly in a sentence
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahaha
coops_13: course ... he only loked up the defs .... not the proper grammatical applications
Jesus Claus: Our precautions ensured our safety.
Jesus Claus: used properly
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahahahaha
coops_13: we love ya Jesus ...even if ya get their and There mixed up
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahahahaha
Jesus Claus: coops, you fucked up again
Jesus Claus: better luck next time
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahaha
Jesus Claus: Ensure - make certain of; "This nest egg will ensure a nice retirement for us";
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahaha
coops_13: Jesus ...give it up
Jesus Claus: damn, that has to hurt
coops_13: you've been had ....lololololol
Just_April1974: lol
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahaha
How does he manage to step in it so completely every damn time? The guy has been on PalTalk what seems like no more than a few weeks, and yet he immediately and unerringly finds the most moronic thing to say at any given moment. If you could imbue a metal detector with that directional sense, you'd find enough gold coins to buy a fake medical degree from wherever coopsy got his...
JC
THE MASK OF SANITY
Honestly, the more I look over this excerpt of room text, the angrier I get. I know that for me, and many people around here, 9/11 is always a presence. Some episodes of NYPD Blue have an opening that shows a quick shot of the towers, and it still affects me to see them for even a second. Arch, coops, and Brute, apparently, have moved past acceptance to open mockery:
Wow. Just, wow. The next time some wingnut tries to play the "You don't care about 9/11" card, just point them to this. The hypocrisy is festering.
JC
MrArchieBunker: I bet Claus thinks the flight 93 movie is "too soon"
Jesus Claus: arch, what difference would that make?
MrArchieBunker: Do you Claus??
Jesus Claus: I live a few miles from Ground Zero
MrArchieBunker: Thats not an answer
Brutelogic: Claus.........always reverts to non facts......
Jesus Claus: 9/11 is still an emotional topic
coops_13: Not for me
MrArchieBunker: AHHHH, you do think its "too soon"
Jesus Claus: no, not really
Jesus Claus: but I understand if people here don't want to see it
coops_13: But then again ....Bill Clintons BJ is still an emotional issue w/ Jesus
coops_13: hahaha
Jesus Claus: coops, 9/11 is a serious issue
coops_13: Nah Jesus
Jesus Claus: oh, not to you?
Jesus Claus: ok
coops_13: it's over ...we've moved on
Jesus Claus: have you?
Jesus Claus: i suppose it's easier if you aren't actually here
MrArchieBunker: Claus is too busy hating the people trying to defend him
coops_13: Jesus ..psst ...the world doesn't revolve around New York City ....as much as you'd like to think it does
Jesus Claus: that's an interesting attitude, coops
coops_13: Jesus ... theres a huge world outside of NYC
Jesus Claus: you're saying being emotional about 9/11 is a bad thing?
coops_13: But for Jesus ...NYC is the center of the universe
coops_13: hahah
Jesus Claus: i don't understand that
coops_13: brb
Wow. Just, wow. The next time some wingnut tries to play the "You don't care about 9/11" card, just point them to this. The hypocrisy is festering.
JC
Wednesday, April 26, 2006
LOOK OUT, RADIOACTIVE MAN!
I include the picture of Pyramid Head from the Silent Hill movie only because he's awesome and he'll kick your ass, and he don't care if you've got breakfast muffins, sister! Plus, if you act now, this Pyramid Head will come with one (1) Big Honkin' Great Knife, for which to skewer people. You know you want it.This post is actually completely not at all about Silent Hill. Rather, it is a journey into the deepest depravities and disappointments of the American educational system. In this case, one is likely to wonder what fly-by-night, nonaccredited institution fleeced coops_13 out of tuition money that might well have been better spent on a handful of magic beans:
coops_13: I guess that's why Alec Baldwin wanted to move to France ..... 90% of the country is Nuke powered
Jesus Claus: it's actually lower, and France is changing over to other forms of energy
Republicans-R-Corrupt: diferent type of red
Republicans-R-Corrupt: rad
coops_13: Nukes aren't dangerous ...it's disposable diapers that are our problem
Republicans-R-Corrupt: different type of rad idiot
coops_13: so there's good and bad radiation, huh
coops_13: hahahaha
coops_13: hahahaha
duckorath: beta
coops_13: hahaha
duckorath: alpha
duckorath: gamma
Jesus Claus: coops, you think all radiation is the same?
Jesus Claus: ahhahahahaha
Jesus Claus: where did you go to school?
Jesus Claus: Alabama?
Now, I'm no expert here, but I thought that most people didn't get out of jr. high without at least having heard about different types of radiation. (thank you, Earth Science!) I guess when you go to a school where you spend half your day in a school garage dismantling car engines, they relax some of the basic science requirements. It's ok, coopsy. If you're having trouble keeping all the radiation names straight, just remember, I'm pretty sure it was gamma rays for The Hulk. And maybe Spiderman's spider, too.
This obviously "gifted" individual (he's not handicapped, he's handi-capable!) often claims that he is currently a practicing medical doctor. On the off chance that coopsy isn't just reporting the delusions he has while playing dress-up with his "action figures." anyone who sees a man in full scrubs wearing knee-high galoshes, drooling and holding a scalpel, I'd recommend backing slowly away until he's out of sight and then calling Animal Control.
JC
Tuesday, April 25, 2006
SOMEONE GOT IT RIGHT!!
Just another one of Bush's doting fans!!
sent to vacreeper2003 from a fellow airman - via e-mail on a US Air Force computer!
Monday, April 24, 2006
DO NOT MESS WITH THE MASTER
Oh, snap! He went Mifune on your ass!coops_13: Coops is a realist .... youre liberals retorts are being bought by the Nation
Jesus Claus: coops, can you make an effort to type grammatically correct, properly spelled sentences?
Jesus Claus: it makes our lives easier
coops_13: Jesus ..psst ....sentence's is possessive ...needs an apostrophe
coops_13: hahahaha
Jesus Claus: what?
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahahahhahha
Jesus Claus: sentences - plural
Jesus Claus: more than one sentence
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahahhahha
Jesus Claus: waa waa
Jesus Claus: nice try
This reminds me of a Kurosawa samurai movie, where Toshiro Mifune is training a young swordsman. The youth charges and swings wide, and Toshiro twirls and slap him on the butt as he sails by, then laughs heartily as the boy sits up with grass in his hair. Damn, Toshiro Mifune laughing at you.That's gotta suck. Don't worry coopsy, its only 50 people in a chatroom laughing at you.
JC
PROFILES IN COWARDICE
You know, we hear an awful lot about how the Democrats hate the military. If wingnut fantasies were true, every corner would be filled with ramrod straight conservatives in full salute, humming the National Anthem, while Democrats, chortling and twirling our Snidely Whiplash moustaches, tiptoed around planting stinkbombs in every car. Damn, it brings a tear to my eye, just thinking about how much love the wingnut has for our military.
Oh wait, I forgot. That's complete bullshit:
Wow. Two-faced much? crabfucker sounds like the typical Konservative Keyboard Kommando. Always love the troops, until they say something you don't like. Did you see that way wingnuts went after the 6 generals who criticized Rumsfeld? Some of those men led assaults on cities in Iraq. They were good enough for these bedwetters when they kept their mouths shut, but let a military man speak out against Bush, and it's the swiftboat slice-and-dice. Lie and smear, the motto of the gutless, tin-helmet, piss-stained pratfallers in the Keyboard Kommandos!
JC
Oh wait, I forgot. That's complete bullshit:
crabfisherman: The majority of air force personal are cowardly paper pushing dog fuckers who were too scared to join the marines
Wow. Two-faced much? crabfucker sounds like the typical Konservative Keyboard Kommando. Always love the troops, until they say something you don't like. Did you see that way wingnuts went after the 6 generals who criticized Rumsfeld? Some of those men led assaults on cities in Iraq. They were good enough for these bedwetters when they kept their mouths shut, but let a military man speak out against Bush, and it's the swiftboat slice-and-dice. Lie and smear, the motto of the gutless, tin-helmet, piss-stained pratfallers in the Keyboard Kommandos!
JC
Sunday, April 23, 2006
TRIBUTE TO VIRGINIA
Virginia was offended to be called a yank. To make amends I offer this little clip in support of redneck yokels, just like Virginia. http://www.topeuro.co.uk/blagger/the_duel.html
YOU OWE ME TWENTY BUCKS!
Dammit, these IronyMeters are not cheap, MosesKnows! And that's the third smoking crater in my desk this week. I have to remember not to aim the receiver at a PalTalk room. MK actually typed the following in 2 Way:
Little devils in flaming tuxedos should prick your fingers with cast-iron pitchforks for typing something so stupid, MK. Members of the Cult of Bush don't know the first thing about accepting responsibility. Whenever Bush screws up, the only way wingnuts can process his failure is by blaming Clinton or the Democrats. Hey, we're just standing over here, sipping mixed drinks and hitting on the ladies. Bush fucked up all by himself, we didn't trip him up. From falling off his tricycle to falling off the face of the earth in the Katrina aftermath, all of his wounds are self-inflicted.
Hell, take a look at the Democrat on the ethics committee who is under investigation. He intends to defend himself, but notice how he was man enough to step down until his reputation is cleared. Compare that to Tom "I didn't do it" DeLay, who not only refused to resign his position while under investigation, he actually tried to bully the Reps into changing the standing Republican ethics rule that would strip him of his post once he was indicted. That whiny little rat dug in and refused to...what's that, MK? That's right, he refused to take responsibility. Just like Bush, just like most conservatives. A passel of spineless weasels, every last one.
JC
MosesKnows: red - liberals have never been able to grasp the notion of responsibility, they blame everything they do on someone else...it is their nature...that are unable to do otherwise.
Little devils in flaming tuxedos should prick your fingers with cast-iron pitchforks for typing something so stupid, MK. Members of the Cult of Bush don't know the first thing about accepting responsibility. Whenever Bush screws up, the only way wingnuts can process his failure is by blaming Clinton or the Democrats. Hey, we're just standing over here, sipping mixed drinks and hitting on the ladies. Bush fucked up all by himself, we didn't trip him up. From falling off his tricycle to falling off the face of the earth in the Katrina aftermath, all of his wounds are self-inflicted.
Hell, take a look at the Democrat on the ethics committee who is under investigation. He intends to defend himself, but notice how he was man enough to step down until his reputation is cleared. Compare that to Tom "I didn't do it" DeLay, who not only refused to resign his position while under investigation, he actually tried to bully the Reps into changing the standing Republican ethics rule that would strip him of his post once he was indicted. That whiny little rat dug in and refused to...what's that, MK? That's right, he refused to take responsibility. Just like Bush, just like most conservatives. A passel of spineless weasels, every last one.
JC
DR. GIGGLES
What a great movie that was, Dr. Giggles. For my money, there are few actors who do deranged psycho as well as Larry Drake. Oh, sure, there was Anthony Hopkin as Hannibal Lechter, but he was a more genteel, deliberate kind of killer. Kind of like Dick Cheney, with his gravelly monotone and twisted snarl. I honestly don't know which one I'd more expect to suddenly try to bite someone's face off.Now, Dr. Giggles, that's some serious scalpel-on-coed action. Oddly enough, Paltalk is also home to some warped physicians. Assuming we can even trust they are who they claim to be. coops_13 insists that he's a Dr. for the DOD, but he's just as likely to by head fry technician at BurgerWorld with a few tattered medical textbooks at home. Either way, he put his bedside manner on display tonight:
coops_13: if youre at the point ya need Med Marijuana .. and youre terminal .. just kill yourself
Wow, such compassion! Such humanitarianism! I think I may cry. So, who was chief resident where you did rotation, coops? Guy named Mengele, maybe?
JC
Saturday, April 22, 2006
CHATTING AND ORIGINS
Troops at Anzac taking a short break from the front line to chat. Chatting was not "having a yarn" although it is possible that that is the way the term started. Chatting was searching through your clothes to find and kill the chats, small lice like insects that infected everyone at Anzac and many in France/Flanders.
SNAP!
Brutelogic is attacking rattler again. We owe brute a debt of gratitude, he sure increases traffic to rattler. here is Brute at his 'puter.
Friday, April 21, 2006
PALTALKMATCH.COM
CA is waiting for your call...Hey, ladies, we've got a new bachelor on the prowl in PT. Fresh from moving out of his parent's basement, Conservative Atheist is lamebrained, lumpy, and looking for love. Let me show you the high regard CA has for women:
Conservative Atheist: I dont hate women I just think they are silly little digbats
Better act now, ladies, who knows how long he'll be available.
JC
IDIOT SON OF AN ARSEHOLE
http://www.galumpia.co.uk/pages/adult_3.htm Things aren't always what they seem, but we easily assume.
Thursday, April 20, 2006
ANOTHER SAD CASE
I recently posted an article about the rising infant mortality rate in Basrah, Iraq. If that wasn't bad enough, now I read about the same tragic outcome in Afghanistan. You can read the relevant news article HERE.
The Los Angeles Times quotes United Nations officials pointing out that 600 infants and 50 mothers die on average each day in Afghanistan.
George Bush "decider and leaker in chief" should be proud of himself that he has won the daily double with both Iraq and Afghanistan achieving rising infant mortality rates. Take a bow.
Al
The Los Angeles Times quotes United Nations officials pointing out that 600 infants and 50 mothers die on average each day in Afghanistan.
George Bush "decider and leaker in chief" should be proud of himself that he has won the daily double with both Iraq and Afghanistan achieving rising infant mortality rates. Take a bow.
Al
Wednesday, April 19, 2006
JOAN OF IRK
Virginia_1776 rode up the stony hill, banner crackling in the wind, lance dropped and centered on her foe. She rode for honor. She rode to defend saltspring from a charge of being a bigot. Her steed stumbled as her lance splintered against the brick of the windmill, followed shortly by her face. Unfortunately for our heroine, there was no Sancho Panza around to clean her up and hold her as she limped off the field of battle.
Virg got all hot and bothered when I told her flat out that saltspring is a bigot against muslims and arabs. He constantly denigrates them collectively as an inferior culture. His ideas and policy proposals clearly reflect that, despite his oft-professed love for oppressed arabs, he regards their lives as virtually meaningless. No policy saltspring proposes can be trusted, because inherent in each is the ghoulish notion that arab/muslim life is expendable. If you confront salty with this, all he will do is insist that arabs have done worse to each other. Of course. Now I see the problem. You're a bigot.
Virg was valiantly throwing up defense after defense of salty as he tried to explain himself on mic. Suddenly, salt let fly with the epithet, "muzzie." Talk about stopping a conversation dead in it's tracks. On my end, I twitched, my eyes wide, and then began to laugh. Soon, the whole room was bantering about it. Oh my, salty, dreadful faux pas, old chap. Better luck next time, Virg.
Just a little advice. If you're going to stake your credibility on defending a bigot, you might want to make sure he isn't actually a bigot first, ya know?
JC
Virg got all hot and bothered when I told her flat out that saltspring is a bigot against muslims and arabs. He constantly denigrates them collectively as an inferior culture. His ideas and policy proposals clearly reflect that, despite his oft-professed love for oppressed arabs, he regards their lives as virtually meaningless. No policy saltspring proposes can be trusted, because inherent in each is the ghoulish notion that arab/muslim life is expendable. If you confront salty with this, all he will do is insist that arabs have done worse to each other. Of course. Now I see the problem. You're a bigot.
Virg was valiantly throwing up defense after defense of salty as he tried to explain himself on mic. Suddenly, salt let fly with the epithet, "muzzie." Talk about stopping a conversation dead in it's tracks. On my end, I twitched, my eyes wide, and then began to laugh. Soon, the whole room was bantering about it. Oh my, salty, dreadful faux pas, old chap. Better luck next time, Virg.
Just a little advice. If you're going to stake your credibility on defending a bigot, you might want to make sure he isn't actually a bigot first, ya know?
JC
OUTRAGE!
We at The Rattler are outraged, outraged I tell you, at the shabby treatment given our Poet-in-Residence, ononotagain, just moments ago in Daydream Politics! As we were discussing Michelle Malkin's disgraceful publication of student protestors' home contact information, Bomb Jak, a scurrilous, thuggish admin, booted ono right in his bright red babboon keister, sending him sailing placidly over the moon.
In retaliation, The Rattler has discovered Bomb Jak's personal PO Box number, and will be posting it prominently at the head of the blog. We can only hope that Bomb's normal brown paper-wrapped porn videos will be crowded out by missives from our outraged readers. Somewhere in Idaho, a Mailboxes Etc. manager is going to be hella pissed.
Bomb Jak
PO BOX 2358
Bumfuck, Idaho, 83316
(Note - The above is not to be taken seriously. This is a joke. No Bomb Jak's were harmed in the production of this post.)
JC
In retaliation, The Rattler has discovered Bomb Jak's personal PO Box number, and will be posting it prominently at the head of the blog. We can only hope that Bomb's normal brown paper-wrapped porn videos will be crowded out by missives from our outraged readers. Somewhere in Idaho, a Mailboxes Etc. manager is going to be hella pissed.
Bomb Jak
PO BOX 2358
Bumfuck, Idaho, 83316
(Note - The above is not to be taken seriously. This is a joke. No Bomb Jak's were harmed in the production of this post.)
JC
CONSERVATIVE ETHICS
You may have heard in the burblings of the brackish pit of right wing blogs that the Queen of the slimepit, Michelle Malkin, has really crossed the line from partisan wingnut harpy to conscienceless psychotic.
A group of protestors put out a press release for the media, and mistakenly appended their home contact info. Normally, contact information is not publicized, as it is included as a courtesy for ease of, obviously, contact. So, Malkin, with complete disregard for the lives or safety of these young people or their families, publishes their home contact info prominently on her blog. That's right, she made their home information public for any wandering psycho to find. And find it they did. The knuckle-draagging denizens of the wingnut bog bombarded these young people with death threats and disgusting filth. Even after Malkin was told of these threats, she refused to remove the information.
Now, I know that for most people, this kind of behavior is simply unthinkable. The idea of making peoples' home numbers available, so that some crazy person might actually hurt them or their children, it just sickens me. Wingnuts have lost the capacity to empathize with their opponents, and their behavior is quite literally antisocial or sociopathic in nature. Even knowing that her behavior would cause harm, Malkin not only chooses to move ahead, she tries to justify her disgusting actions.
Now, let's see if our resident PT wingnuts also fail this test of basic human decency:
There you go. MrArchieBunker and RichardCranial. Proving for what must be the thousandth time that they are completely lacking in conscience and simple human decency. I think they are able to rationalize this gross violation of ethical behavior by imagining that the "Angry Left" would do the same. I'm sorry, fellas, but that kind of situational ethics doesn't let you off the hook.
This isn't a joke, people could really be hurt by this. I wouldn't want that on my conscience, but then again, I actually have one.
JC
A group of protestors put out a press release for the media, and mistakenly appended their home contact info. Normally, contact information is not publicized, as it is included as a courtesy for ease of, obviously, contact. So, Malkin, with complete disregard for the lives or safety of these young people or their families, publishes their home contact info prominently on her blog. That's right, she made their home information public for any wandering psycho to find. And find it they did. The knuckle-draagging denizens of the wingnut bog bombarded these young people with death threats and disgusting filth. Even after Malkin was told of these threats, she refused to remove the information.
Now, I know that for most people, this kind of behavior is simply unthinkable. The idea of making peoples' home numbers available, so that some crazy person might actually hurt them or their children, it just sickens me. Wingnuts have lost the capacity to empathize with their opponents, and their behavior is quite literally antisocial or sociopathic in nature. Even knowing that her behavior would cause harm, Malkin not only chooses to move ahead, she tries to justify her disgusting actions.
Now, let's see if our resident PT wingnuts also fail this test of basic human decency:
MrArchieBunker: Michelle Malkin
Jesus Claus: that cunt is psychotic
Jesus Claus: Malkin is a piece of shit
Jesus Claus: she posted the phone numbers of opponents
MrArchieBunker: Did you send her hate mail too Claus??
Jesus Claus: and left them up even when they were getting death threats
Jesus Claus: Arch, she's crazy
Jesus Claus: sorry, but that is beyond the pale
Jesus Claus: you do not post contact info from PRs
Jesus Claus: that shit is not done
MrArchieBunker: Sorry Claus, it was public info
Jesus Claus: i am sorry, but if you stick up for her, you're out of your mind
Jesus Claus: it was most definitely NOT public info
Jesus Claus: you're out of your mind, aRch
MrArchieBunker: Sure it was, I found it easliy
Jesus Claus: arch, you are just a piece of garbage
RichardCranial: jc it was part of their press release
Jesus Claus: cpontact info is a normal part of PRs
MrArchieBunker: Be nice now Claus, no need for name calling
Jesus Claus: you do not publish contact info
Jesus Claus: honestly, you make me sick
Jesus Claus: that is really just beyond sick
MrArchieBunker: Why the name calling Claus??
Jesus Claus: the idea of keeping someone's home number posted when you know they've gotten death threats
Jesus Claus: it's just maniacal
Jesus Claus: but typically conservative
Jesus Claus: no sense of shame at all
Jesus Claus: no real morality to speak of
Jesus Claus: if this was your family getting death threats, you wouldn't be laughing
MrArchieBunker: Relax Claus, really
Jesus Claus: if it was your family getting threats, I would be outraged, personally
Jesus Claus: this is just beyond the pale
Jesus Claus: Malkin has lost any credibility
Jesus Claus: and she had virtually none to begin with
RichardCranial: then the student should not of put it on their press release jc
Jesus Claus: what with having her husband write her blog for her
Jesus Claus: ok, RC, try to focus here
RichardCranial: and how do you know that jc?
Jesus Claus: a decent human being does not publish other people's home info
RichardCranial: the student put it on the press release jc
Jesus Claus: and a decent human being certainly doesn't leave the info up after being asked to take it down
MrArchieBunker: Oh grow up Claus
Jesus Claus: and after knowing it has led to death threats
Jesus Claus: Arch, give out your home phone number
Jesus Claus: right now
RichardCranial: now tell me how you know her husband writes her blog?
Jesus Claus: tell us what your home number is
MrArchieBunker: 867-5309
Jesus Claus: exactly
Jesus Claus: because it is and should be off limits
Jesus Claus: but you don't get that
RichardCranial: then why did the student put it on the press release?
MrArchieBunker: You are sooooooo predictable Claus
Jesus Claus: your moral compass is completely messed up
Jesus Claus: this is about personal ethics
Jesus Claus: the fact that you think it is acceptable for her to publicize their info after they got threats tells me everything I need to know about you
Jesus Claus: you have no morals
Jesus Claus: you have screwed up ethics
MrArchieBunker: I dont know that they got death threats
Jesus Claus: it's sickening
Jesus Claus: what?
Jesus Claus: Arch, have you been to LGF, or Lucianne, or RedState?
MrArchieBunker: Pinko's prolly sent in the death threats themselves, I know how their agit prop works
Jesus Claus: right wing commentors are crazy
Jesus Claus: you're disgusting, Arch
Jesus Claus: fucking sick
There you go. MrArchieBunker and RichardCranial. Proving for what must be the thousandth time that they are completely lacking in conscience and simple human decency. I think they are able to rationalize this gross violation of ethical behavior by imagining that the "Angry Left" would do the same. I'm sorry, fellas, but that kind of situational ethics doesn't let you off the hook.
This isn't a joke, people could really be hurt by this. I wouldn't want that on my conscience, but then again, I actually have one.
JC
Tuesday, April 18, 2006
WORLDS BEST BLONDE JOKE
I found the worlds best best blonde joke HERE: http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006/01/18/the-best-blonde-joke/
Sunday, April 16, 2006
SLIPPED UP AGAIN
We're discussing racism and the Republican Party in 2 Way tonight. I know, I know, I do repeat myself. But Virginia_1776 and MrArchieBunker have been desperately scrambling to cover up the Nixonian Southern Strategy, whereby the Republicans plotted to wrest the South from Democratic control after the Civil Rights Act by appealing to Southern white racism. Hell, Reagan continued the tradition by appealing to state's rights (code for segregation) in the very Mississippi town where three civil rights workers were burned. Willie Horton anyone?
Now, Virginia is from Alabama, so her love for her home is washing her reason right out to sea. I told her that Republicans were appealing to southern bigotry to win elections. This is true, and was the main factor in the 2004 reelection (anti-gay bigotry was the fashionable color that year). Virg insisted that I had said ALL southern whites were racist, but I corrected her and said I was only referring to those that were, in fact, racist. What followed was a hilarious verbal gaffe by MrArchieBunker. He charged up to the mic on his valiant steed and unsheathed his mighty sword to strike a blow in defense of his maiden fair. He insisted that I had said ALL southerners were racist. I told him that isn't what I said at all. And this was his response:
What's that again? Not really IR-relevant? That means relevant, doesn't it? How cute is that. Arch's mind wandered for a split second, and his mouth said what he was really thinking. The issue of what EXACTLY was said is actually quite relevant, as Arch's little verbal accident proves. I appreciate the defense against Virginia's lies, Arch. Good to know you've got my back.
Virginia made an even funnier mistake when she was harpying me over segregation. Never mind that the girl doesn't even know enough to distinguish between Jim Crow legal segregation, and segregation due to urban effects and social policy. Check out what she actually said:
I live where? Notice how, even as Virg tries to push segregation off as only a northern problem, (how stupid is that, by the way) her brain gets tangled up and she says what she's REALLY thinking. Priceless. Even at this moment, she is gritting her teeth and trying to make a go on this segregation trip she's on. Talk about missing the point. Oh man, I love it. She just said this:
Glad you noticed. Now take a look at how Republicans have exploited that racism, and we'll have this all sorted.
UPDATE - Now this has me rolling on the floor. Ok, not literally. The floor is dirty now. Anyways, Virginia_1776 cannot get enough of the Freudian slippage. I explained to her that Republicans use appeals to bigotry to win elections, moving from race hatred, to religious hatred to gay hatred. So, Virginia wanted to counter me by mocking what the Dems say. Get a load of what she said:
Did you notice that, kids? Virginia wanted to say that the Dems say THE REPUBLICANS do all those bad things, but notice how her mind betrayed her, and she instead got "confused." Yet another Freudian slip proves what Virginia is really thinking. When thinking of which party fearmongers, she can only think of the Republicans.
JC
Now, Virginia is from Alabama, so her love for her home is washing her reason right out to sea. I told her that Republicans were appealing to southern bigotry to win elections. This is true, and was the main factor in the 2004 reelection (anti-gay bigotry was the fashionable color that year). Virg insisted that I had said ALL southern whites were racist, but I corrected her and said I was only referring to those that were, in fact, racist. What followed was a hilarious verbal gaffe by MrArchieBunker. He charged up to the mic on his valiant steed and unsheathed his mighty sword to strike a blow in defense of his maiden fair. He insisted that I had said ALL southerners were racist. I told him that isn't what I said at all. And this was his response:
"Claus, what exactly you said is not really irrelevant..."
What's that again? Not really IR-relevant? That means relevant, doesn't it? How cute is that. Arch's mind wandered for a split second, and his mouth said what he was really thinking. The issue of what EXACTLY was said is actually quite relevant, as Arch's little verbal accident proves. I appreciate the defense against Virginia's lies, Arch. Good to know you've got my back.
Virginia made an even funnier mistake when she was harpying me over segregation. Never mind that the girl doesn't even know enough to distinguish between Jim Crow legal segregation, and segregation due to urban effects and social policy. Check out what she actually said:
"Claus, you live in the most segregated nation in the country!"
I live where? Notice how, even as Virg tries to push segregation off as only a northern problem, (how stupid is that, by the way) her brain gets tangled up and she says what she's REALLY thinking. Priceless. Even at this moment, she is gritting her teeth and trying to make a go on this segregation trip she's on. Talk about missing the point. Oh man, I love it. She just said this:
"Of COURSE there is racism in the south. There were SLAVES in the south. DUH!"
Glad you noticed. Now take a look at how Republicans have exploited that racism, and we'll have this all sorted.
UPDATE - Now this has me rolling on the floor. Ok, not literally. The floor is dirty now. Anyways, Virginia_1776 cannot get enough of the Freudian slippage. I explained to her that Republicans use appeals to bigotry to win elections, moving from race hatred, to religious hatred to gay hatred. So, Virginia wanted to counter me by mocking what the Dems say. Get a load of what she said:
"Oh, Claus, the Dems use the same accusations as the Republicans: 'The Democrats are making huge deficits, the Democrats want to take money from the elderly and kids, The Dems want to take away a woman's right to choose...'"
Did you notice that, kids? Virginia wanted to say that the Dems say THE REPUBLICANS do all those bad things, but notice how her mind betrayed her, and she instead got "confused." Yet another Freudian slip proves what Virginia is really thinking. When thinking of which party fearmongers, she can only think of the Republicans.
JC
THE BRUTE MOTEL
I'm a little worried about Brutelogic this morning. Has anyone besides me noticed that whenever he takes the mic recently, his speeches are shorter than usual. Dommie lets you have 4 minutes, but Brute speaks for no more than two, two-and-a-half. And his speech, it's pressured, breathless, like he's sweating over some anxiety. He jumps from topic to topic, the whole time really only saying, "Nyah, Nyah, we're right and you're wrong, we're winning, Nyah, Nyah." The time was, he was at least able to debate on the current topic of discussion, but now, it's like his mind is somewhere else. He's an imitation of Brutelogic, a shell.
He's a small man, in height, at least, but not in girth. Brute barks on mic for his two minutes, getting more twitchy, his hands spasming open, his face reddening as his forehead grows shiny with sweat over the latent acne. His index finger immediately taps the button to close the room as he leaves the mic, but his mind is already flooded with the ticking text lines he imagines, people mocking him, laughing, digging at his mind. His fleshy fists close as he imagines the next person in line eviscerating him with slashing speech. There's no way he could have stayed to listen, not without the rage rising within. He couldn't afford to replace another smashed headset, at least, not on his small allowance.
He hears a noise from upstairs, and a pinprick of fear chills his chest. He stumbles into the hallway, then into the bathroom, slams and locks the door. "I'm going to faint," he thinks, and grabs the rim of the sink to hold himself upright. The face that looks back is raccoon-like, eyes wide with black circles, a round ball-head with a ring of hair running around above his ears, a few strands leaping over the top to create the illusion of manhood. "The illusion...of Brute..." he whispers, as his fingers tighten on the cold ceramic.
Another wave of dizziness crashes into him, and he turns and fall onto the toilet. Arms on knees, he holds his head between his legs, wheezing in breath after breath, trying not to pass out, willing his breathing to slow down, dammit, slow down. He grits his teeth and starts to growl to himself, "slow down.......slow down," like a prayer, an incantation. Finally, he pushes out a measured exhalation, and his body relaxes and settles slightly. It is then that he hears it, a long, low but loud moan coming from upstairs. Even through the closed door, he can hear it. Hell, it feels like he would hear it, at the expected time, even if it didn't come from outside, from her, from up there. It's something inside now, twisted up with his anger at those fuckers in PalTalk, at his vicious rage when he looks in a mirror. A monster in his head that swims below the murk, chained and locked down by will alone, but always swimming, always. For now, he pushes the thought away. The moan gets louder, and now it has formed into his name. He closes his eyes, and opens the door.
Mother wants a sandwich. And more. He doesn't know how much longer this can go on.
JC
He's a small man, in height, at least, but not in girth. Brute barks on mic for his two minutes, getting more twitchy, his hands spasming open, his face reddening as his forehead grows shiny with sweat over the latent acne. His index finger immediately taps the button to close the room as he leaves the mic, but his mind is already flooded with the ticking text lines he imagines, people mocking him, laughing, digging at his mind. His fleshy fists close as he imagines the next person in line eviscerating him with slashing speech. There's no way he could have stayed to listen, not without the rage rising within. He couldn't afford to replace another smashed headset, at least, not on his small allowance.
He hears a noise from upstairs, and a pinprick of fear chills his chest. He stumbles into the hallway, then into the bathroom, slams and locks the door. "I'm going to faint," he thinks, and grabs the rim of the sink to hold himself upright. The face that looks back is raccoon-like, eyes wide with black circles, a round ball-head with a ring of hair running around above his ears, a few strands leaping over the top to create the illusion of manhood. "The illusion...of Brute..." he whispers, as his fingers tighten on the cold ceramic.
Another wave of dizziness crashes into him, and he turns and fall onto the toilet. Arms on knees, he holds his head between his legs, wheezing in breath after breath, trying not to pass out, willing his breathing to slow down, dammit, slow down. He grits his teeth and starts to growl to himself, "slow down.......slow down," like a prayer, an incantation. Finally, he pushes out a measured exhalation, and his body relaxes and settles slightly. It is then that he hears it, a long, low but loud moan coming from upstairs. Even through the closed door, he can hear it. Hell, it feels like he would hear it, at the expected time, even if it didn't come from outside, from her, from up there. It's something inside now, twisted up with his anger at those fuckers in PalTalk, at his vicious rage when he looks in a mirror. A monster in his head that swims below the murk, chained and locked down by will alone, but always swimming, always. For now, he pushes the thought away. The moan gets louder, and now it has formed into his name. He closes his eyes, and opens the door.
Mother wants a sandwich. And more. He doesn't know how much longer this can go on.
JC
ITS ABOUT DAMNED TIME.........
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4913414.stm
Another two US generals have weighed into the row over whether Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld should quit.
Ex-Nato commander Gen Wesley Clark, who ran for the Democrat presidential nomination in 2004, backed calls for Mr Rumsfeld to resign.
But ex-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen Richard Myers, said the calls were inappropriate.
Six retired generals have recently spoken out against Mr Rumsfeld's handling of the war in Iraq.
But President George W Bush has assured Mr Rumsfeld of his "full support" and rejected calls for him to step down.
Frequent critic
Gen Clark said in a television interview: "I believe secretary Rumsfeld hasn't done an adequate job. He should go."
Gen Clark said he believed Mr Rumsfeld, along with Vice-President Dick Cheney, had helped push the Iraq invasion when there was "no connection with the war on terror".
Gen Clark said the secretary had lost the confidence of some officers in the military who were asking for "somebody in the military chain of command who will listen".
Gen Clark has been a frequent critic of the Bush administration's Iraq policy.
But Gen Myers defended Mr Rumsfeld and criticised the resignation calls.
"My whole perception of this is it's bad for the military, and for military relations, and it's very bad for the country," he said.
President Bush has praised Mr Rumsfeld for his "energetic and steady leadership" during his years at the Pentagon.
The defence secretary has also personally dismissed suggestions that he should resign.
The two most senior generals to voice their unease over Mr Rumsfeld were Maj Gen John Riggs and Maj Gen Charles H Swannack Jr, both of the Army.
In a radio interview Gen Riggs, a former division commander, said Mr Rumsfeld fostered an atmosphere of "arrogance" among the Pentagon's top civilian leadership.
Another two US generals have weighed into the row over whether Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld should quit.
Ex-Nato commander Gen Wesley Clark, who ran for the Democrat presidential nomination in 2004, backed calls for Mr Rumsfeld to resign.
But ex-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen Richard Myers, said the calls were inappropriate.
Six retired generals have recently spoken out against Mr Rumsfeld's handling of the war in Iraq.
But President George W Bush has assured Mr Rumsfeld of his "full support" and rejected calls for him to step down.
Frequent critic
Gen Clark said in a television interview: "I believe secretary Rumsfeld hasn't done an adequate job. He should go."
Gen Clark said he believed Mr Rumsfeld, along with Vice-President Dick Cheney, had helped push the Iraq invasion when there was "no connection with the war on terror".
Gen Clark said the secretary had lost the confidence of some officers in the military who were asking for "somebody in the military chain of command who will listen".
Gen Clark has been a frequent critic of the Bush administration's Iraq policy.
But Gen Myers defended Mr Rumsfeld and criticised the resignation calls.
"My whole perception of this is it's bad for the military, and for military relations, and it's very bad for the country," he said.
President Bush has praised Mr Rumsfeld for his "energetic and steady leadership" during his years at the Pentagon.
The defence secretary has also personally dismissed suggestions that he should resign.
The two most senior generals to voice their unease over Mr Rumsfeld were Maj Gen John Riggs and Maj Gen Charles H Swannack Jr, both of the Army.
In a radio interview Gen Riggs, a former division commander, said Mr Rumsfeld fostered an atmosphere of "arrogance" among the Pentagon's top civilian leadership.
Saturday, April 15, 2006
DUMB RACIST SAYS WHAT?
Ok, mark this down in your PalTalk Wingnut Collectible Sticker Book: 8:11 PM EST - Conservative Atheist calls Voo a "mean ol' poopyhead," grabs his toys and stomps out of the room.
JC
JC
YOU HAVE LOST YOUR GOT DAMN MIND
Holy shit, Voo walked in the door and bull-charged up to the mic, knocking lesser chatters aside. I think I saw a guy dive through a plate glass window. Voo reminds me of Barrett from FFVII, a burly black man with a giant Gatling Gun for a hand. He slams his feet down, sets his weight, gets his target in sight, and unloads a ton of hot lead. Lucky for me, Voo decided he didn't want to fight with me on corporal punishment. He's wrong, of course, as most studies show that even mild corporal punishment is associated with bad outcomes. The one I found most troubling was the 8 year longitudinal study that showed that corporal punishment is predictive of adolescent aggression (permissive parenting is not).
Fortunately, Voo decided to go after Conservative Atheist about his NAMBLA obsession. CA, who wouldn't know a reasonable argument if it dressed in a sailor suit so he could molest it, insists that no one should support the right of NAMBLA to have free speech. See, to CA, free speech is debatable. If he likes the speech, like if someone says black people are inferior, CA is all for it. In fact, he's the scumbag who's likely to be saying it. But if it's speech CA doesn't like, he wants to ban it. Hey, CA, go to Canada, where they have hate speech laws. You're a shitty American.
Even worse for CA is how he can square his "Children are off limits" attitude with his hypocritical support for corporal punishment. Which is it, CA? Do we leave the kids alone, or do you want to spank them? And, no, you cannot stick your hand into the diapers, CA. What the fuck is wrong with you?
JC
Fortunately, Voo decided to go after Conservative Atheist about his NAMBLA obsession. CA, who wouldn't know a reasonable argument if it dressed in a sailor suit so he could molest it, insists that no one should support the right of NAMBLA to have free speech. See, to CA, free speech is debatable. If he likes the speech, like if someone says black people are inferior, CA is all for it. In fact, he's the scumbag who's likely to be saying it. But if it's speech CA doesn't like, he wants to ban it. Hey, CA, go to Canada, where they have hate speech laws. You're a shitty American.
Even worse for CA is how he can square his "Children are off limits" attitude with his hypocritical support for corporal punishment. Which is it, CA? Do we leave the kids alone, or do you want to spank them? And, no, you cannot stick your hand into the diapers, CA. What the fuck is wrong with you?
JC
BRUTELOGIC: COWARD AT LARGE
Mahatma Gandhi once said “fear has its use, but cowardice has none.” Brutelogic (the boy-Brutie) would disagree.
Brutelogic is speechless when asked why he isn’t in Iraq fighting to defend America from an enemy he sermonizes will destroy the United States and enslave the American people in some kind of Islamic abyss. In fact, even when individuals who have served or are serving in the military call the boy-Brutie to task for being grossly negligent in performing his duty to defend the nation in times of danger – particularly in light of the fact that he is a staunch supporter of the war (regardless of how Bush and his propaganda brigade justify it) and believes that climbing American and Iraqi casualties are clearly warranted – he responds by attacking and attempting to demonize the patriotism and the honor of the individuals asking the questions: In other words, boy-Brutie, in Bushite fashion, attempts to deflect attention away from his spinelessness and attack those whose patriotism, honor and integrity are beyond reproach: How Rovesque!
It’s clear to me that the boy-Brutie is convinced he is far too important to sacrifice anything to the same Lords of War he heaps sanctimonious unction upon every day in PT. Boy-Brutie, from one side of his pie-hole pays a most mendacious homage to our brave GIs who have the élan to at least live by their principles, and out of the opposite side of his maw, while giddy with braggadocio, he pontificates about his great success in achieving the American dream and how great a day it is to triumph in the land of opportunity and how he is able to literally wallow in wealth because of George Bush’s grandiose economic and foreign policies. Boy-Brutie is telling us that other people should sacrifice all so that he can enjoy the good life. Boy-Brutie is telling us that other people should die so that he should live large. What the boy-Brutie doesn’t want you to know is how he believes his life is far too valuable to waste on endeavors such as war to save the nation. What the boy-Brutie doesn’t want you to notice is his belief that GIs are like the proverbial uneducated ditch digger deserving of his station in life; someone has to do the dirty work. So long as boy-Brutie stands no chance of getting shrapnel in his precious little gums, all is well. Boy-Brutie's patriotism is conditional; his love of country has its limits.
The boy-Brutie tactlessly disrespects the sacrifices of hundreds of thousands of Americans who fight the war he believes is fundamental to the very survival of America – sacrifice he is too unwilling and too fearful to make. Boy-Brutie doesn’t want to talk about how Bush’s war has denied, indeed ended, the American dream for thousands of American GIs and civilians. Brutie wants you to believe he is a great patriotic American because he talks tough – about matters he has no inkling of – subjects like the pluck and prowess of our GIs, military strategy and tactics, and military law. What this bulwark of moral weakness doesn’t want you to notice is that he shamelessly chooses to give/sacrifice zero, zilch, nada, nothing for America. The boy-Brutie thinks marginalizing the lives of millions – that others should forfeit – to his benefit - is what the American dream is all about.
That being said, some questions remain: Why won’t the boy-Brutie enlist in a branch of the military and go defend the nation he claims to love? Why won’t the boy-Brutie back up his tough talk with action like many other Americans have done? We here at the Rattler appeal to boy-Brutie’s sense of obligation to country – a country he tells us in PT every day is under siege and near extinction at the hands of a relentless enemy – go defend your country boy-Brutie! Boy-Brutie knows the US Army is literally begging for troops, he knows Iraq has become the legacy of the President he worships and he admits the country is in peril – why does he sit indolently by watching his army, his president, and his country struggle to fend off such a ferocious enemy?
There is but one character flaw that can explain boy-Brutie’s despicable behavior: Cowardice. Boy-Brutie – you are, indeed, a great coward: How hypocritical and how reprehensible for you to wish death and destruction to so many lives for your personal gain! All that can be said of such brazen cowardice is that if it had a foul odor test, the boy-Brutie would stink to high-heaven.
Vacreeper2003
Brutelogic is speechless when asked why he isn’t in Iraq fighting to defend America from an enemy he sermonizes will destroy the United States and enslave the American people in some kind of Islamic abyss. In fact, even when individuals who have served or are serving in the military call the boy-Brutie to task for being grossly negligent in performing his duty to defend the nation in times of danger – particularly in light of the fact that he is a staunch supporter of the war (regardless of how Bush and his propaganda brigade justify it) and believes that climbing American and Iraqi casualties are clearly warranted – he responds by attacking and attempting to demonize the patriotism and the honor of the individuals asking the questions: In other words, boy-Brutie, in Bushite fashion, attempts to deflect attention away from his spinelessness and attack those whose patriotism, honor and integrity are beyond reproach: How Rovesque!
It’s clear to me that the boy-Brutie is convinced he is far too important to sacrifice anything to the same Lords of War he heaps sanctimonious unction upon every day in PT. Boy-Brutie, from one side of his pie-hole pays a most mendacious homage to our brave GIs who have the élan to at least live by their principles, and out of the opposite side of his maw, while giddy with braggadocio, he pontificates about his great success in achieving the American dream and how great a day it is to triumph in the land of opportunity and how he is able to literally wallow in wealth because of George Bush’s grandiose economic and foreign policies. Boy-Brutie is telling us that other people should sacrifice all so that he can enjoy the good life. Boy-Brutie is telling us that other people should die so that he should live large. What the boy-Brutie doesn’t want you to know is how he believes his life is far too valuable to waste on endeavors such as war to save the nation. What the boy-Brutie doesn’t want you to notice is his belief that GIs are like the proverbial uneducated ditch digger deserving of his station in life; someone has to do the dirty work. So long as boy-Brutie stands no chance of getting shrapnel in his precious little gums, all is well. Boy-Brutie's patriotism is conditional; his love of country has its limits.
The boy-Brutie tactlessly disrespects the sacrifices of hundreds of thousands of Americans who fight the war he believes is fundamental to the very survival of America – sacrifice he is too unwilling and too fearful to make. Boy-Brutie doesn’t want to talk about how Bush’s war has denied, indeed ended, the American dream for thousands of American GIs and civilians. Brutie wants you to believe he is a great patriotic American because he talks tough – about matters he has no inkling of – subjects like the pluck and prowess of our GIs, military strategy and tactics, and military law. What this bulwark of moral weakness doesn’t want you to notice is that he shamelessly chooses to give/sacrifice zero, zilch, nada, nothing for America. The boy-Brutie thinks marginalizing the lives of millions – that others should forfeit – to his benefit - is what the American dream is all about.
That being said, some questions remain: Why won’t the boy-Brutie enlist in a branch of the military and go defend the nation he claims to love? Why won’t the boy-Brutie back up his tough talk with action like many other Americans have done? We here at the Rattler appeal to boy-Brutie’s sense of obligation to country – a country he tells us in PT every day is under siege and near extinction at the hands of a relentless enemy – go defend your country boy-Brutie! Boy-Brutie knows the US Army is literally begging for troops, he knows Iraq has become the legacy of the President he worships and he admits the country is in peril – why does he sit indolently by watching his army, his president, and his country struggle to fend off such a ferocious enemy?
There is but one character flaw that can explain boy-Brutie’s despicable behavior: Cowardice. Boy-Brutie – you are, indeed, a great coward: How hypocritical and how reprehensible for you to wish death and destruction to so many lives for your personal gain! All that can be said of such brazen cowardice is that if it had a foul odor test, the boy-Brutie would stink to high-heaven.
Vacreeper2003
YOUR 3RD GRADE ENGLISH TEACHER MUST BE MORTIFIED
So, Vic Fucktardi just got off of the mic, and it was more embarrassing than usual this time. In trying to read from some WaPo story, Vic actually said the following:
She thinks that Dick Cheney is what? Mallomars? Methuselah? What the fuck, Vic, you've never seen the word "malevolent," before? Damn, that education system down in Alabama must be crackerjack, baby. I don't suppose it matters much, since Vic's job digging sludge out of sewer pipes doesn't require much reading ability. I mean, it would be nice if someone who spent so much time talking and typing on PT would raise their own personal standards just a bit. Oh well, I guess Vic wasted all the time he could have spent getting educated sheep fucking. Oddly enough, not an unusual situation for Alabama.
JC
"...she thinks that Dick Cheney is mellovent..."
She thinks that Dick Cheney is what? Mallomars? Methuselah? What the fuck, Vic, you've never seen the word "malevolent," before? Damn, that education system down in Alabama must be crackerjack, baby. I don't suppose it matters much, since Vic's job digging sludge out of sewer pipes doesn't require much reading ability. I mean, it would be nice if someone who spent so much time talking and typing on PT would raise their own personal standards just a bit. Oh well, I guess Vic wasted all the time he could have spent getting educated sheep fucking. Oddly enough, not an unusual situation for Alabama.
JC
ANYTHING FOR THE KING
S_LINK90 is the perfect icon and examplar of the Bush authoritarian cultist. One of the hallmarks of cultists, and the way a careful observer can spot one, is that they are fanatically devoted to the leader, and will tie themselves in rhetorical knots trying to defend him. Even if a particular justification they use clearly violates their own prior beliefs or stated ideas, they will act as though their defense of the leader is perfectly rational, even as their hypocrisy is painfully exposed.
Linky put on a show today that would have contortionists envious. In his world, nothing can ever be Bush's fault. That is simply unacceptable. So, when the conversation turned to Bush's failure to capture Bin Laden, Linky was quick to defend Bush's lackadaisical attitude. Never mind that Bush got up on the rubble at Ground Zero and promised to capture Bin Laden dead or alive. Now that Bush says he "doesn't think about him much," it doesn't matter if we catch him. Linky even insulted the intelligence of the room by simpering "what, is capturing Bin Laden going to stop terrorism?"
Hello, fuckwit. Bin Laden led and planned an attack on America while he was in Afghanistan. We don't even really know where he is, since he may well be the welcome guest of Pashtun tribesmen on the Pakistani border. Our good friend Musharref sure as shit isn't doing anything to catch him. So how the fuck can you be so blase about Bin Laden roaming free somewhere? Even the police take note of a criminal's priors. Are you so certain that Bin Laden ISN'T a threat that you're willing to take your eye off him? I know 3000 people who might look at Bush's neglect of counterterrorism that might disagree with you.
More to the point, Linky often tries to play the "You don't care about 9/11" Card. Apart from the fact that I'm in NYC and he's off in Missouri under no real threat, just listen to what Linky is saying. He does not give a fuck whether the MASS MURDERER of 3000 Americans is caught and prosecuted. What, should we stop looking for murderers now, Linky? Empty out all the jails, since murder obviously means nothing to you? What kind of American are you?
And that is really it, guys. S_LINK90 is so hyperdedicated to his cult leader, that ordinary reasoning and simple compassion cannot penetrate. Bush could rape puppies with a crucifix on the White House lawn, and Linky would try to explain it away. Goddamnit, dude, you're a fucking embarrassment. Get up off your knees and wipe Bush's sperm off your face. Your country needs you, and you're too busy cupping Bush's balls to notice.
JC
Linky put on a show today that would have contortionists envious. In his world, nothing can ever be Bush's fault. That is simply unacceptable. So, when the conversation turned to Bush's failure to capture Bin Laden, Linky was quick to defend Bush's lackadaisical attitude. Never mind that Bush got up on the rubble at Ground Zero and promised to capture Bin Laden dead or alive. Now that Bush says he "doesn't think about him much," it doesn't matter if we catch him. Linky even insulted the intelligence of the room by simpering "what, is capturing Bin Laden going to stop terrorism?"
Hello, fuckwit. Bin Laden led and planned an attack on America while he was in Afghanistan. We don't even really know where he is, since he may well be the welcome guest of Pashtun tribesmen on the Pakistani border. Our good friend Musharref sure as shit isn't doing anything to catch him. So how the fuck can you be so blase about Bin Laden roaming free somewhere? Even the police take note of a criminal's priors. Are you so certain that Bin Laden ISN'T a threat that you're willing to take your eye off him? I know 3000 people who might look at Bush's neglect of counterterrorism that might disagree with you.
More to the point, Linky often tries to play the "You don't care about 9/11" Card. Apart from the fact that I'm in NYC and he's off in Missouri under no real threat, just listen to what Linky is saying. He does not give a fuck whether the MASS MURDERER of 3000 Americans is caught and prosecuted. What, should we stop looking for murderers now, Linky? Empty out all the jails, since murder obviously means nothing to you? What kind of American are you?
And that is really it, guys. S_LINK90 is so hyperdedicated to his cult leader, that ordinary reasoning and simple compassion cannot penetrate. Bush could rape puppies with a crucifix on the White House lawn, and Linky would try to explain it away. Goddamnit, dude, you're a fucking embarrassment. Get up off your knees and wipe Bush's sperm off your face. Your country needs you, and you're too busy cupping Bush's balls to notice.
JC
JUST USELESS
We got swarmed in the early AM. A few of the buzzing insects were Lulu8769, Rusty Kash, and Larry-LA. Lulu was trying to tell us how terrible the ACLU is. Oh yeah, a group of lawyers that fight for freedom of speech is a scourge on society. Sometimes I wonder if these people just lie down under a radio and let Limbaugh-sludge ooze into their ears.
Luckily, Voo was here to give Lulu the spanking she deserved. Rusty and Larry were barking incoherently from the bleachers. Final score: Voo - 42, Lulu - 0. That's right kids, it was a shut out. Lulu fumbled when she claimed that there were hundreds of frivolous cases filed by the ACLU, but couldn't name any on the mic. In fact, she told us to go look it up ourselves. Hello, dumbass. We're not here to do your research for you. Then she ran the ball for a touchdown for the other team by citing a case about a cross on federal land that was about a perfectly acceptable church-state seperation issue.
I have to get back into the fray. I'll let you know what develops...
JC
Luckily, Voo was here to give Lulu the spanking she deserved. Rusty and Larry were barking incoherently from the bleachers. Final score: Voo - 42, Lulu - 0. That's right kids, it was a shut out. Lulu fumbled when she claimed that there were hundreds of frivolous cases filed by the ACLU, but couldn't name any on the mic. In fact, she told us to go look it up ourselves. Hello, dumbass. We're not here to do your research for you. Then she ran the ball for a touchdown for the other team by citing a case about a cross on federal land that was about a perfectly acceptable church-state seperation issue.
I have to get back into the fray. I'll let you know what develops...
JC
Friday, April 14, 2006
RAISE YOUR GAME
What is it with conservatives? Is it so hard to LEARN TO SPELL? I mean, sure, every once in awhile, you can make a typo or three, but seriously, it's reaching a level of collapse and ruination, the sheer dumbasery on display.
Hell, BruteLogic alone is an object lesson in how NOT to communicate in written English. Every...post...is...a....sentence...fragment,,,with...
ellipses...up...the...yin...yang. What a pathetic troll. It makes me wonder if using fire and acid will work on him, like it does with real trolls (see Billy Goat's Gruff, The, for details).
Did you get over to read Conservative Atheist's abomination of a blog? It's like a parody of poorly argued, miserable misspelled wingnut tripe, like you see from the least humanoid trogs over at RedState or Little Green Fucktards. Oh, who are we kidding. CA IS the best conservatism has to offer.
You suck, and that's sad
JC
Hell, BruteLogic alone is an object lesson in how NOT to communicate in written English. Every...post...is...a....sentence...fragment,,,with...
ellipses...up...the...yin...yang. What a pathetic troll. It makes me wonder if using fire and acid will work on him, like it does with real trolls (see Billy Goat's Gruff, The, for details).
Did you get over to read Conservative Atheist's abomination of a blog? It's like a parody of poorly argued, miserable misspelled wingnut tripe, like you see from the least humanoid trogs over at RedState or Little Green Fucktards. Oh, who are we kidding. CA IS the best conservatism has to offer.
You suck, and that's sad
JC
Thursday, April 13, 2006
UNREASONABLE LOGIC
Last night, a bozo named handyman_107 tried pitifully to defend Bush against the latest revelation, that he lied about finding biolabs in Iraq. Let's review the story as we now know it. From the WaPo:
Ok, so these are the facts. Bush and his cronies claimed that mobile biolabs had been found, despite the existence of a comprehensive intel report that said those trailers WERE NOT and COULD NOT BE biolabs.
So, what is handydouche's defense of Bush? He says, since we can't prove Bush knew what was in that report, you technically can't say he lied. Really. So, handydouche, your defense of Bush is that he didn't lie because he was too incompetent and lazy to bother to know the facts before making claims that weren't true?
He's not a liar because he's a fuck-up.
Ok, dude, whatever you say...
UPDATE - I just got into this with Brutelogic, and wouldn't you know, he used exactly the same argument as handy. According to Brutie, Bush was not responsible for not knowing what was in tha intel report. Some underling obviously failed to give it to him. That's right, kids. If Bush fucks up, it isn't his fault. Bush cannot fail, he can only BE failed. Conservaitves don't expect or require their leaders to be competent. The mind boggles.
JC
On May 29, 2003, 50 days after the fall of Baghdad, President Bush proclaimed a fresh victory for his administration in Iraq: Two small trailers captured by U.S. and Kurdish troops had turned out to be long-sought mobile "biological laboratories." He declared, "We have found the weapons of mass destruction."
The claim, repeated by top administration officials for months afterward, was hailed at the time as a vindication of the decision to go to war. But even as Bush spoke, U.S. intelligence officials possessed powerful evidence that it was not true.
A secret fact-finding mission to Iraq -- not made public until now -- had already concluded that the trailers had nothing to do with biological weapons. Leaders of the Pentagon-sponsored mission transmitted their unanimous findings to Washington in a field report on May 27, 2003, two days before the president's statement.
...
Throughout the summer and fall of 2003, the trailers became simply "mobile biological laboratories" in speeches and press statements by administration officials. In late June, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell declared that the "confidence level is increasing" that the trailers were intended for biowarfare. In September, Vice President Cheney pronounced the trailers to be "mobile biological facilities," and said they could have been used to produce anthrax or smallpox.
Ok, so these are the facts. Bush and his cronies claimed that mobile biolabs had been found, despite the existence of a comprehensive intel report that said those trailers WERE NOT and COULD NOT BE biolabs.
So, what is handydouche's defense of Bush? He says, since we can't prove Bush knew what was in that report, you technically can't say he lied. Really. So, handydouche, your defense of Bush is that he didn't lie because he was too incompetent and lazy to bother to know the facts before making claims that weren't true?
He's not a liar because he's a fuck-up.
Ok, dude, whatever you say...
UPDATE - I just got into this with Brutelogic, and wouldn't you know, he used exactly the same argument as handy. According to Brutie, Bush was not responsible for not knowing what was in tha intel report. Some underling obviously failed to give it to him. That's right, kids. If Bush fucks up, it isn't his fault. Bush cannot fail, he can only BE failed. Conservaitves don't expect or require their leaders to be competent. The mind boggles.
JC
Tuesday, April 11, 2006
BASRA CHILD MORTALITY "IS RISING."
Is this why the coalition is fighting in Iraq? Are we fighting so the children can suffer. According to a BBC News report, a doctor has been quoted as saying that infant mortality in Basra has risen by 30% since the invasion. This saddens me.
This is surely an indictment of the US and its military. Where is all the money that has been squandered and defrauded in Iraq. Where is it?
Al
"Children are dying daily, and no one is doing anything to help them"so says Dr Haydar Salah,Basra paediatrician.
This is surely an indictment of the US and its military. Where is all the money that has been squandered and defrauded in Iraq. Where is it?
Al
LOOKING FOR WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION?
I guess the Whitehouse is getting real desperate in the unending search for weapons of mass destruction, but you can bet your bottom dollar they won't be found there!
WHEN THE JOKES WRITE THEMSELVES
Maybe this blogging idea is just institutionalizing inefficiency. Wouldn't it save time just to have the wingnuts come up with their own self-mockery, and cut out the middle man? How much added value do we really provide? Allow me to post an example of the kind of streamlining I'm talking about:
Do you see what happened there? Vic's statement means that he only adds 20 IQ points to the room, instead of meaning that his "high" IQ drags up the room average. Like doing a faceplant at the starting gun. This is a serious problem. It's exactly the kind of job encroachment unions were created to fight. If Vic is going to simply write his own material, and thoroughly discredit himself with his own words before we get a chance to go to work with mockery and derision, what does that bode for the future of the hardworking American blogger? If Vic manages to cut out the sarcastic middleman on these deals, how the hell am I going to put food on my family?
JC
VicFerrariPoliticalGenius: THE ROOM IQ HAS JUST GONE UP 20 POINTS
ononotagain: lol vic, correct, that is all you brought to the room
Jesus Claus: holy shit, that was funny, Vic
Jesus Claus: you meant to say the AVERAGE IQ went up 20 pts
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahahahaha
Jesus Claus: you fucking moron!
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahahahaha
Jesus Claus: Vic, do you realize what you said?
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahaahahahahaha
Jesus Claus: VicFerrariPoliticalGenius: THE ROOM IQ HAS JUST GONE UP 20 POINTS
ononotagain: VicFerrariPoliticalGenius: THE ROOM IQ HAS JUST GONE UP 20 POINTS
VicFerrariPoliticalGenius: HEY BUSTER BOY
ononotagain: VicFerrariPoliticalGenius: THE ROOM IQ HAS JUST GONE UP 20 POINTS
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahhahahahahhaa
Jesus Claus: that's going up on the blog, ono!
Jesus Claus: hhahahahahahahahahahaha
ononotagain: vic just writes his own
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahahaha
Jesus Claus: oh man, priceless
Do you see what happened there? Vic's statement means that he only adds 20 IQ points to the room, instead of meaning that his "high" IQ drags up the room average. Like doing a faceplant at the starting gun. This is a serious problem. It's exactly the kind of job encroachment unions were created to fight. If Vic is going to simply write his own material, and thoroughly discredit himself with his own words before we get a chance to go to work with mockery and derision, what does that bode for the future of the hardworking American blogger? If Vic manages to cut out the sarcastic middleman on these deals, how the hell am I going to put food on my family?
JC
HOPEFULLIBERAL4ME
HopelessRomantic4u was in the room last night, using his maiden name, 1greatamerican1. We got into a little scuffle about the proper role of government in society. Allow me to paraphrase HR's argument:
Terri Schiavo and abortion aside, that might be somewhat coherent. But I challenged him, saying that the social safety net helps people to get through life with less hardship. Now, let me tell you the story HR told us, in apparent support of his ideas:
Um...HR? I hate to break it to you. You're a liberal Dem. When your friend was going to school, she likely got assistance from the government to pay tuition. Dems fund those programs, while Reps cut them. Her kids had childcare, medical coverage from Medicaid, and free lunches at school. Dems fund those programs, while Reps cut them. Do you see a pattern developing here? You claim to be libertarian/conservative, but your friend never would have accomplished what she did without federal programs that a libertarian would never support.
Face it, HR, you're one of us now. We accept you, we accept you, one of us, one of us...
JC
"You liberals want the government to be involved in every aspect of our lives. I want the government to stay out of our business."
Terri Schiavo and abortion aside, that might be somewhat coherent. But I challenged him, saying that the social safety net helps people to get through life with less hardship. Now, let me tell you the story HR told us, in apparent support of his ideas:
"I had a friend in high school. She got pregnant twice and had two children, and ended up on welfare. Now, she was able to get into an educational program to learn a skill. She got money for child daycare, and got trained as an X-Ray tech, and now she manages a whole medical office. That is how people better themselves."
Um...HR? I hate to break it to you. You're a liberal Dem. When your friend was going to school, she likely got assistance from the government to pay tuition. Dems fund those programs, while Reps cut them. Her kids had childcare, medical coverage from Medicaid, and free lunches at school. Dems fund those programs, while Reps cut them. Do you see a pattern developing here? You claim to be libertarian/conservative, but your friend never would have accomplished what she did without federal programs that a libertarian would never support.
Face it, HR, you're one of us now. We accept you, we accept you, one of us, one of us...
JC
ONE TRICK PONY
Wisdom X: whitepeople do this every where they go
Wisdom X: this is standard operating procedure
Wisdom X: whitesupremacy can not exist when the truth is revealed
Wisdom X: whitepeople will make money off of selling them drugs
Wisdom X: whitepeople should never speak of GOD
Wisdom X: I do not know when whitepeople started racsim/whitesupremacy I do know it must end'
Wisdom X: from what I have researched the whitepeople were in the caves and their history have been hidden to allow the a chance to rule the planet to be tested to see if they can be human
Wisdom X: to be human is to be humane
Wisdom X: whitepeople are by nature the wat they function
Wisdom X: whitepeople have made this to be the only subject i can talk about
Wisdom X: whitepeople are the cause of all the killing on the planet
Wisdom X: that will increase if I know whitepeople
Wisdom X: whitepeople like to hunt
Wisdom X: whitepeople like to hunt as a sport
Wisdom X: what people have used a weapon of mass destruction on another people?
Wisdom X: whitepeople like making missles
Wisdom X: I worked with whitepeople in the offense industry...
Wisdom X: whitepeople are posiively destructive
Wisdom X: bearinachair what word should i use?
bearinachair: MASSAH
Sunday, April 09, 2006
THE REST IS SILENCE
We heard, with much sadness, of the untimely passing of The Social Issues Tattler. Like the strong and vigorous youth that quickly outpaces his faltering, decrepit forebear, The Rattler has strode boldly ahead as our progenitor collapses into dusty bones.
I mean, let's face it, The Tattler started out massive and mean, a powerhouse of gossip and scorn. And we all loved it. And checked everyday to see if we got slammed. But in the last few months, it has been a different story entirely. Weak disses, lethargic arguments. Who can forget that spate of sloppy kisses to Adolf Hitler? Tattler <3 Adolf Hitler? What the hell happened? Well, I think we were all looking for this juggernaut to slam to the ground and slide to a stop eventually.
Bon voyage, Tattler. You waited until you were at the top of your game. And then kept going until you spiralled into pathetic drivel and irrelevance. Such a shame. Such a comical, entertaining shame.
JC
I mean, let's face it, The Tattler started out massive and mean, a powerhouse of gossip and scorn. And we all loved it. And checked everyday to see if we got slammed. But in the last few months, it has been a different story entirely. Weak disses, lethargic arguments. Who can forget that spate of sloppy kisses to Adolf Hitler? Tattler <3 Adolf Hitler? What the hell happened? Well, I think we were all looking for this juggernaut to slam to the ground and slide to a stop eventually.
Bon voyage, Tattler. You waited until you were at the top of your game. And then kept going until you spiralled into pathetic drivel and irrelevance. Such a shame. Such a comical, entertaining shame.
JC
WORDS OF WISDOM FROM BEYOND THE GRAAAAAVE...
I meant to link to this post on Glenn Greenwald's blog, Unclaimed Territory, awhile ago. A guest poster named Hume's Ghost collects several recent arguments of the Bush administration regarding national security, civil liberties, and the Constitution. Needless to say, Alexander Hamilton wouldn't piss on Bush if he was on fire:
Go read the whole post. I'll wait. I have knitting to do.
JC
We are repeatedly told we are in a war, and that we will be at war indefinitely.
In the Federalist #8 Alexander Hamilton recognized that external threats can erode liberty:
Safety from external danger is the most powerful director of national conduct. Even the ardent love of liberty will, after a time, give way to its dictates. The violent destruction of life and property incident to war, the continual effort and alarm attendant on a state of continual danger, will compel nations the most attached to liberty to resort for repose and security to institutions which have a tendency to destroy their civil and political rights. To be more safe, they at length become willing to run the risk of being less free.
Then, perhaps anticipating the fear-mongering that would be done by this administration Hamilton continued:
The perpetual menacings of danger oblige the government to be always prepared to repel it; its armies must be numerous enough for instant defense. The continual necessity for their services enhances the importance of the soldier, and proportionably degrades the condition of the citizen. The military state becomes elevated above the civil.
The inhabitants of territories, often the theatre of war, are unavoidably subjected to frequent infringements on their rights, which serve to weaken their sense of those rights; and by degrees the people are brought to consider the soldiery not only as their protectors, but as their superiors. The transition from this disposition to that of considering them masters, is neither remote nor difficult; but it is very difficult to prevail upon a people under such impressions, to make a bold or effectual resistance to usurpations supported by the military power.
Go read the whole post. I'll wait. I have knitting to do.
JC
PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!
We had a special guest in the room this morning. An expert in economics deigned to sprinkle droplets of wisdom on the parched PalTalk masses. It may look like cindylulu is the one giving us her carefully researched facts on the state of the nation's dollars, but, I assure you, she was acting as conduit to some genuine fiscal electricity. I'll let you read to find out just who cindy was a beard for:
That's right, kids. cindy thinks that George W. Bush is actually a valid and trustworthy source
for economic information. Hell, if Bush told me water was wet, I'd want a notarized affidavit. The fact that cindy isn't even able to discern which statistics are just blatantly spun (hint - since population is always growing, so is employment and housing) makes me suspect that we are just being hosed with more bullshit. Listen, cindy, when I want smoke blown up my ass, I'll pay a dominatrix to do it. Not that that has anything to do with lying. I just like that sort of thing. What?
JC
cindylulu: another 211,000 jobs were created while the unemployment rate remained at "virtual full employment
Jesus Claus: cindy, that last statement is just nonsense
cindylulu: Real GDP increased 3.5 percent in 2005. The economy has been growing for 17 straight quarters, and the composite index of leading indicators has risen the past 6 months, indicating continued growth
cindylulu: what statement?
Jesus Claus: GDP growth is weaker than in previous recoveries
Jesus Claus: the savings rate is negative
Jesus Claus: job growth is only recently above break-even
cindylulu: Consumer Confidence rose to 107.2 in March - the highest level in nearly four years
Jesus Claus: new jobs are an average of $9,000 less in pay than lost jobs
cindylulu: Real household net worth is at an all-time high of $52.1 trillion, and the median net worth of American households rose 1.5 percent between 2001 and 2004.
Jesus Claus: and adjustable rate mortgages are heading up
cindylulu: Real disposable incomes have risen 2.2 percent over the past 12 months
Jesus Claus: hosehold net worth includes housing
Jesus Claus: which is in a bubble
cindylulu: Real consumer spending has increased 3.2 percent over the past year, and nominal retail sales are up 6.7 percent over the past 12 months
Jesus Claus: spending and sales being up is actually worrisome, if savings rates are negative
Jesus Claus: if saving is negative, new purchases are on credit
Cardinal Fang: cindy .. tell that to katrina victims
cindylulu: College Graduates face the best job market in five years
Jesus Claus: considering that Bush's policies made the recession worse
cindylulu: Manufacturing activity grew for the 34th consecutive month in March
Jesus Claus: it's a good thing there is finally a recovery
Cardinal Fang: cindy .. that is el-toro-poo-poo
cindylulu: Non-manufacturing business activity grew for the 36th consecutive month in March
Jesus Claus: how could there not be a recovery?
Jesus Claus: Bush only extended the recession, he didn't repeal economic laws
Jesus Claus: this recovery is actually much weaker than previous recoveries
cindylulu: i know there is a recovery i am just surprise that you admitted it
Jesus Claus: if the recession ended in November of 2001, how could there not be a recovery
Jesus Claus: ?
cindylulu: The American economy has now added jobs for 31 months in a row
Jesus Claus: how many jobs in 31 months, cindy?
cindylulu: created more than 5.1 million new jobs for American workers
Jesus Claus: because you need 250k plus just to break even
Ms Maggie: what are those jobs and what do they pay
Jesus Claus: 5.1 million new jobs in 31 months?
Jesus Claus: let's do the math then
cindylulu: The unemployment rate is now down to 4.7 percent -- that's below the average rate of the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s and 1990s
Jesus Claus: average rate?
Jesus Claus: you don't measure ue by decade averages, cindy
Jesus Claus: that's just dumb
cindylulu: Real after-tax income has grown by more than 8 percent per person
Jesus Claus: UE was around 4.0 when Clinton left
Jesus Claus: went up to like 6.5
Jesus Claus: now it's down
Jesus Claus: but that doesn't address discouraged workers
cindylulu: but what was the average for the 90's?
Jesus Claus: oh my
Jesus Claus: cindy cindy cindy
cindylulu: Americans have an income that is $2,100 higher this year than it was in 2001
Jesus Claus: 5.1 million jobs in 31 months is only 165k average
Jesus Claus: that is about 100k below break even
cindylulu: and what wrong with 165k?
doppleganger_1: The increase in American economy over the last 18 mnths is CONSUMER DRIVEN mostly on CREDIT CARDS
Jesus Claus: Clinton never got below 200k per month, i'm pretty sure
cindylulu: france would love 165k
Jesus Claus: 165k doesn't beat population growth, cindy
Jesus Claus: and Clinton always beat that
cindylulu: More Americans own their homes than at any time in history
doppleganger_1: France only needs 35K to equal America
Jesus Claus: cindy, home ownership ALWAYS goes up!!!!!
Jesus Claus: ALWAYS!!!!!
Jesus Claus: goddamnit, sister
doppleganger_1: n they exceeded that last year with 62 000 jobs created
Jesus Claus: home ownership goes up EVERY TIME IT IS MEASURED!!!!
cindylulu: Minority home ownership has reached record levels.
Jesus Claus: it is driven by population growth
doppleganger_1: better check would be the number of REPOSESSIONS
Jesus Claus: minority home ownership also goes up constantly
cindylulu: Consumer confidence is at its highest point in nearly 40 years
Jesus Claus: now, can you tell us if its RATE of growth is fast or slow?
doppleganger_1: Consumer CREDIT is at an all time high
Jesus Claus: savings have actually become NEGATIVE
cindylulu: productivity is high, inflation is contained, manufacturing activity is growing and the small business sector is thriving
doppleganger_1: Just like the national Budget deficit lol all done on CREDIT
Jesus Claus: according to who, cindy?
Ms Maggie: She's reciting propaganda. Of course, she can't explain it.
Jesus Claus: cindy, can you give us a link?
cindylulu: The economy has expanded for 17 straight quarters. And last year the American economy grew at a healthy rate of 3.5 percent. That's the fastest rate of any major industrialized economy
Jesus Claus: i think you are pasting
Jesus Claus: cindy, are you pasting?
pk51: wrong cindylu lu
Jesus Claus: ciiiiiiiiindy
cindylulu: of course i am pasting
Jesus Claus: oh, ciiiiiiiiiiindy
Jesus Claus: then tell us from where
doppleganger_1: Consumer CREDIT driven Cyndy ...that aint REAL money
cindylulu: i always paste
Jesus Claus: plllllllllllease
doppleganger_1: Thats real DEBT
Jesus Claus: then tell us from where
Jesus Claus: I want to know who I'm arguing with
cindylulu: president bush's speech last week
Jesus Claus: because it isn't you
Jesus Claus: what?
doppleganger_1: lmao at "President Bush's speech"
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Jesus Claus: hahahahahahahahhahahahahhahaha
Jesus Claus: you are pasting from a speech by the Liar in Chief?
cindylulu: the speech president bush gave last week
cindylulu: yes i am
Jesus Claus: ok, but, he lies a lot
cindylulu: lol jc
Jesus Claus: you know that, right?
pk51: Bush economy: http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=46967
Ms Maggie: What did you expect Jesus? LOL
Jesus Claus: you know he's a big ol' liar
cindylulu: jc been argueing with the president and he didn't know it
pk51: http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=46967
Jesus Claus: oh, i'm not surprised that Bush spins, cindy
Jesus Claus: not at all surprised
That's right, kids. cindy thinks that George W. Bush is actually a valid and trustworthy source
for economic information. Hell, if Bush told me water was wet, I'd want a notarized affidavit. The fact that cindy isn't even able to discern which statistics are just blatantly spun (hint - since population is always growing, so is employment and housing) makes me suspect that we are just being hosed with more bullshit. Listen, cindy, when I want smoke blown up my ass, I'll pay a dominatrix to do it. Not that that has anything to do with lying. I just like that sort of thing. What?
JC
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