Even in the holiday season, idiots still tend to be idiots. It's too bad that RushLimbo, said most of his racist remarks on the mic, but as one can see here it only takes one idiot to get the other imbeciles to chime in. The 'speech' that RushLimbo gave on the mic would have made the KKK proud. RushLimbo went on to say that 'blacks wanted hand outs from whitey' and 'blacks kept racism alive'. No matter how you try to spin Rush's words, no one can deny the words were meant as racist digs.
egalitarianism_2006: stop waiting for whitey to hand things out o u? whats that supposed to mean RUSH?
No_Strings: Nagan flushed his own people
RushLimbo: do you remember him saying he wanted segragation in New Orleans?
egalitarianism_2006: sounded pretty condecending to me
RushLimbo: Nagan proposes total segragation in NO
egalitarianism_2006: ur just a black man stop leaching of us whiteys
RushLimbo: black people hurt black people far more than white people have in the last 50 years
victicrat: Non-whites should stop waiting for a racist government to do anything for them
I'm always amazed; no matter how many times I hear it, as someone saying things as Rush did. So many try to say the African-Americans keep racists alive with wanting to remember history and making sure that history is written factually. Others complain that African-Americans want to have everything handled to them on a silver platter due to what their ancestries endured at the hands of others, this also amazes me.
How hard is it for people to realized that for years the balance of equality, simply did not exist. Certain races were allowed to improve themselves without restriction, while other races could lose their life just for learning how to read. The playing field was (some might say still) NOT fair nor level in any stretch of the imagination. How can people not understand that years of being held back by injustices hinders the ability for one to succeed. How can a person succeed when at every turn they are being denied basic rights? If one is not ALLOWED to read, how can they get a high paying job? If one is not ALLOWED try, how can they be successful?
So often I hear some say that African-Americans cause the damage to their race. Some will quote affirmative action and reparations,this lead me to ask the question, should the US gov't pay reparations to black people? There are plenty of decent-enough arguments for paying black people reparations, but my favorite one is the fact that we're already paying reparations to other groups.
For example, the US is already paying reparations to the Japanese that were interned during World War II, similarly, and quite obviously, none of the Arabs currently locked up in Gitmo and possibly other secret prisons around the world (where torture is still legal) flew any planes into the World Trade Center. Assuming they aren't members of al Qaeda, wouldn't they have just as much claim to reparations as the Japanese interned during World War II? Think about that: In 20 years from now, you and I might be cutting a check to someone who could've been a spy for Osama bin Laden, but black people who's ancestors worked for free for 400 years can't get shit.
I say the above to point out the context in which I generally find myself during conversations regarding race and politics. It usually goes something like this: I ask someone a question about their feelings regarding reparations, affirmative action, racial profiling, or the like, and they usually respond with a sharp, racist statement against black people. An example would be something like the following:
Me:
So what do you think about social welfare?”
Their answer:
Blacks already have enough handouts as it is! Why should my money go to someone who’s going to waste it on Jordans and having three kids by three men???!!! I’m not being racist either man, but I’m also not being politically correct. I’m being real about it.”
You see what’s happened here? Somehow a genuine, concerned question that pertains to all of America and beyond turns into black people being vilified. All I asked was about social welfare, in any nation. And what I got was why black people are worthless.
These types of conversations happen on a daily basis with me. I ask a question and typically receive an answer that has absolutely nothing to do with the question. And the same goes for affirmative action. The conversation degenerates into praise and blame, rather than discussing say, the meanings of these findings by Princeton University. I’ve got to say folks, the elitism and self righteousness (and selfishness) that I find really sickens me.
Final thought: if you’re against race-based politics, cool. But be civil with it, and quit with the racism shit. That “Culture of Poverty” associated with black people is really starting to get on my fucking nerves. If you’re against affirmative action, reparations, or whatever it is, talk about stats, figures, theories. Don’t talk about Ray Ray down the block who’s on crack with a pacifier in his mouth. As Angry Asian Man would say, that’s racist! Or, if you’re me, that’s some RAS (racist-ass-shit).
It is time for everyone to cry out against racism, in any form, to do any less would be an insult to humanity.
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Who all thinks that this rant smacks of racism?
"so all you nasty BITCHES suck our asses you lowdown nogood, goodfornothing, knobbykneed, cracksmelling, nappyheaded, fleahaving, herpesinfested CREEPS!!!!!!!!!!"
"nappyheaded"??? Absolutely a racial slur.
I laugh at racists http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/index.html
What I think is that, while it's legitimate to argue that no culture has suffered equal to blacks in America over its 500 year hisory, I highly doubt there's a practical way of atoning for the injustices done against them and their ancestors. Most resolutions offered, if not all, are going to engender great animosity.
I can see racism forming just from the sense of being punished unfairly, or from not being compensated as due.
Long time black and white friends could part from each other. The black friend may be angry at his white friend's disagreement with reparations. The white friend may see his black friend as unfair. Even if the topic is never discussed, both friends may wonder what the other is thinking. Perhaps the black friend doesn't want reparations but the white friend has trouble separating the individual from what he thinks most of his race wants, and is scared that, deep down, his friend does want it. In either case, tension exists where it may not need to.
The idea of some kind of reparations doesn't offend me a lot, although I am of the principle that it's best to minimize the burden on the innocent, so something being done is ok with me, but I don't think we can ever make things equal in a historical sense. Perhaps the most divisive comment I will make here is to ask this: How will society explain to a small white boy that others deserve special consideration over him, no matter how good he is? He might not understand.
Whose rant is that - the "nappyheaded" one, I mean? Is it someone we know? And yes, nappyheaded is a frequently used, very well known racial slur, right up there with the "N" word.
eff, all you did was just give lip service to political correctness by saying, "...no culture has suffered equal to blacks in America over its 500 year hisory, I highly doubt there's a practical way of atoning for the injustices done against them and their ancestors." It's a typical liberal faux pas. It's SO easy to point the finger at the United States, isn't it, since it's a progressive country with an enlightened population, who over the years have suffered guilt and remorse for conditions, feelings and actions they had no control over because they happened centuries before they were born.
Do you feel that there's a practical way of atoning for the injustices perpetrated against Jews during World War II? What should Europe do to pay for the murder and attempted dessimation of an entire race of people? Yes, I said Europe, I did not single out Germany. Hitler just led the hounds of Hell, that pack of European, Jew-hating, Jew-fearing Europeans and whipped anti-semitics into a frenzy. And you know something, eff? It's beginning all over again because Europeans have lost their grit, they've lost their stones - they have turned into a gutless, spineless continent of bitter, remorseful has beens.
Perhaps you'd care to comment on the horrors being committed against the black culture in Africa today by Arab Muslims that continues as their own brothers in both ethnicity AND religion in the United Nations turn their heads and stuff their pockets with money paid for with their blood.
You see, eff there are no reparations to be paid to blacks living today. But there is much that COULD be done for those being slaughtered even as we sit here and type back and forth. Talk of reparations for something that happened to people who lived hundreds of years ago, is nothing more than frivolity and an avoidance of the unpleasant truth that bad people are still allowed to enslave others, murder indiscriminately and heap misery on others while so-called good men are turning their heads to avoid seeing the ugliness. All you liberals do is talk about what we should "feel", what "should have been done" and whine, piss and moan when this country stands UP for what's right, what's decent and what's moral. You think the best way to do that is to say, "We really fucked up in the past. We had black slaves and we stole land from the Indians." No, "we" didn't. I wasn't even alive back then. We are TODAY and from this day forward, not the people of 1800. Okay, your turn. You can start by bashing the conservatives and call President Bush names.
Hey muse what is this quote supposed to mean: "So often I hear some say that African-Americans cause the damage to their race"
I know pleanty of South African caucasians that have duel citizenship in America. How have they damaged whites?
The term African American is overused. The proper term(s) are:
1: Negro ... As defined by the United Negro College Fund
2: Colored People ... As defined by the National Assoc for the Advancement of Colored People
If you feel the terms "Negro/Colored People" are racist, then you need to talk to these two organizations. They certainly have the power to change their names, but have chosen not to.
AnonyMOUSE, when will you learn to read and comprehend? That quote does NOT come from me, it is a quote of others(as I stated in the thread).
Why don't you ask some of your buddies that question, since it was their words?
BTW, again you try to spin words and fail, but your attempts are getting much better. sSo .happy those remedial comprehension classes are helping you out, but sadly I got to inform you, you sill aren't ready to play with the big dogs
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I don't know which anonymous you are, but I give you credit, your style aside, you make some interesting points. Later, I'll try to address what I can.
Wrong muse, it's YOUR quote. Here's the entire paragraph:
"I'm always amazed; no matter how many times I hear it, as someone saying things as Rush did. So many try to say the African-Americans keep racists alive with wanting to remember history and making sure that history is written factually. Others complain that African-Americans want to have everything handled to them on a silver platter due to what their ancestries endured at the hands of others, this also amazes me."
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Now bow down and kiss my feet for making you look like the fool you are muse.
DAMN this is so easy!!!!!
btw eff my point (which you did catch) was that if I used those terms in public, I would be labeled racist. But the obvious hypocracy is overlooked. I have used those terms on Paltalk just to make that exact point, and Jesus Claus himself tried to brand me as a racist. As did Voo. Me being a racist or not isn't the issue. The NAMES of both organizations give a green light for those terms to be used.
You use my words that I type, based from others words as my quote? I did NOT 'invent' the PC terms. But Anony Mouse you try so hard I feel like I should give you a treat....
wow good thing that feeling passed ;o)
All digs aside, I agree with Eff in your words, you do make some very good points. I would love to dicuss or debate this with you more. Honestly you seem to have some very valid points and I thank you for mentioning them.
For the record, I don't know which anonymous is which, but I was talking to the anonymous that addressed me with the comments about Europe, Jews, etc.
"eff, all you did was just give lip service to political correctness by saying, "...no culture has suffered equal to blacks in America over its 500 year hisory, I highly doubt there's a practical way of atoning for the injustices done against them and their ancestors." It's a typical liberal faux pas. It's SO easy to point the finger at the United States, isn't it, since it's a progressive country with an enlightened population, who over the years have suffered guilt and remorse for conditions, feelings and actions they had no control over because they happened centuries before they were born."
I wasn't trying to point blame at anyone or thing specifically, though by extention the country shared blame, at least in the past, if you don't believe now.
My only intent was to say that, in suffering, the severity is greater for the black man, his family and ancestors.
"Do you feel that there's a practical way of atoning for the injustices perpetrated against Jews during World War II? What should Europe do to pay for the murder and attempted dessimation of an entire race of people? Yes, I said Europe, I did not single out Germany. Hitler just led the hounds of Hell, that pack of European, Jew-hating, Jew-fearing Europeans and whipped anti-semitics into a frenzy."
I really don't know the extent of European anti Jewish sentiment. But I think I am clear enough in the practicality of atonement. I doubt it can be done. I am simply not unempathetic to the idea of it, thus I don't get as mad as some might believe I should when it is proposed. That doesn't mean I would support it. I have at least one relative lost to The Holocaust, but I don't believe I am owed anything because of his death. I never knew the nor any close relatives.
"And you know something, eff? It's beginning all over again because Europeans have lost their grit, they've lost their stones - they have turned into a gutless, spineless continent of bitter, remorseful has beens."
I have a mixed view of Europe. But I will admit that I am not wholly unsympathetic to your views on the continent.
"Perhaps you'd care to comment on the horrors being committed against the black culture in Africa today by Arab Muslims that continues as their own brothers in both ethnicity AND religion in the United Nations turn their heads and stuff their pockets with money paid for with their blood."
Of course there are atrocities, but that doesn't preclude being diverse on the subjects commented on
"You see, eff there are no reparations to be paid to blacks living today. But there is much that COULD be done for those being slaughtered even as we sit here and type back and forth. Talk of reparations for something that happened to people who lived hundreds of years ago, is nothing more than frivolity and an avoidance of the unpleasant truth that bad people are still allowed to enslave others, murder indiscriminately and heap misery on others while so-called good men are turning their heads to avoid seeing the ugliness. All you liberals do is talk about what we should "feel", what "should have been done" and whine, piss and moan when this country stands UP for what's right, what's decent and what's moral. You think the best way to do that is to say, "We really fucked up in the past. We had black slaves and we stole land from the Indians." No, "we" didn't. I wasn't even alive back then. We are TODAY and from this day forward, not the people of 1800. Okay, your turn. You can start by bashing the conservatives and call President Bush names."
Well, putting the argument of how legitimate reparations for black Americans is aside, I actually agree with much of what you have said. In at least appearance, there is a tendency from some on the left to spend more time complaining about who may be trying to resolve a problem than in putting forth solutions.
That's not to say the left has no solutions, they sometimes or often do, and I am sympathetic to some of them, but it is human nature to want results fast. It often seems the left will let results come whenever their principles dictate, not when they are in the best interest of the people actually in danger.
You may have noticed some anti war critics, which I am on some wars, refering to the inconsistent claims of moral motivations for going to war. While there is a very valid contention againt overly broad bases for war and the consequences stemming from them, I suspect many such citations of inconsistency are disingenuous; for if the rational for attacking country A is invalid, why is it not invalid to attack country B?
The argument would be that country A did not have other rationales worthy of engaging it militarily, which might be true. But by the mockery of the stated moral basis when absent other reasons, the left, and anyone else that opposes wars with no other interest than moral sensibilities, cannot logically, and claim consistency in doing so, support military engagements in any of the examples used to demonstrate inconsistency from their opponents if said examples do not meet the the standard of worth for being engaged militarily.
It is a self designed trap.
eff, I am the anonymous you were addressing.
I am compelled to take issue here:
"I wasn't trying to point blame at anyone or thing specifically, though by extention the country shared blame, at least in the past, if you don't believe now.
My only intent was to say that, in suffering, the severity is greater for the black man, his family and ancestors."
for you did in fact say in your original post that it's your feeling no culture has suffered equal to the blacks in America, which is not only blatant finger pointing at American culture, it's unfair and completely untrue. For us to sit here and play a oneupmanship game about which culture has suffered the most is utterly ridiculous. No gauge has been created to measure either individual OR cultural suffering. Ask ANY parent of race, religion, ethnicity or political view how it feels to watch their child suffer or die or see violated, murdered or tortured while they can do NOTHING but stand helplessly by and then please tell us, WHO has suffered "the most" and how did you gauge that suffering?
I am NOT Jewish either by ethnicity or faith, but I have always been sympathetic to Jews, which doesn't negate sympathy I might feel for others, but I find it most unfair when someone makes a statement about the "500 years of black suffering throughout American history".
eff, has it somehow escaped your attention that the United States is a mere 230 years old? I'm just wondering because prior to 1776, the governments or cultures in power, if you will, either responsible for or unopposed to the oppression of blacks in the Americas were mainly British, French, Spanish (who, if I'm NOT mistaken brought the first black slaves to the Americas). It is, in my opinion, quite unfair for you to make a statement that encourages the less educated to believe this country, which less than 100 years into its history fought a bloody war over issues that included the abolishment of slavery.
There is another subsuface issue as well that is seldom mentioned because it has now become so fashionable and politically correct to ONLY speak of American Indians in the most glowing and noble terms. However, the "noble Indian" culture was one of slavery.
So, while I feel that your statement isn't necessarily intentionally dishonest, it is most certainly intellectually dishonest, by glossing over and ignoring TWO THOUSAND YEARS of Jewish suffering, in favor of the more popular and politically correct stance on black suffering only "in America", of course. You also sidestepped the ongoing practice of slavery, murder and abuse of women in Islam, and of course, failed to even mentione some of the almost unbelievable atrocities that have ever occurred in RECORDED history that are ongoing right now TODAY in African and Arab nations at the hands of Muslim and African warlords. How does one overlook or ignore SLAVERY in 2006, eff?
As for the rest, personally, I can't help but believe that the VAST majority of the virulent anti-war critics in this country today are neither sincere or honest in their anti-war sentiments because they simply detest President Bush that much. I believe it is shameful, absolutely shameful.
And this ridiculous talk of reparations is nothing but a joke and should be treated as one, unless you want to also pay reparations to the descendants of every indentured servant who died from being worked to death while in service while the majority of slaves were well fed and protected as valuable property. Did that make slavery morally right? Of COURSE not, but again, show us on your misery gauge who suffered more.
On another note, jay - you are ABSOLUTELY 100% correct about the Michael Richards fiasco! It's RIDICULOUS, but then most of the Hollywood types and those who actually put stock into their opinions are.
And, to the other anonymous, yes I agree that whoever used the term "nappyheaded" is a racist.
I'm done.
America was known as America well before 1776. It is not intellectually dishonest, it may not be fair, but it is nontheless a fact that the country has been known by its present name for about 500 years.
If I'm not mistaken, the Portuguese introduced slavery to the new world and, now I admit presumably, probably used them in Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, and other states of the deep south into the early to mid 16th C. The fact of new governance, going from being under the British Crown with semi autonomy to total independence, does not change the entirety of America's history.
Where the British colonies began in the early 17th century, well before the start of the 18th C. blacks were made slaves. I think many of them started out as free or indentured servants, but that status was changed.
There is a valid comparison to be made between blacks and Native Americans, and I am willing to digress on arguing which group suffered more, but if we remove Native Americans from the debate, blacks have suffered the most in the US. To say otherwise is to engage in relativism, and it's obfuscatory to bring comparisons to cultures outside of and having little if anything to do with America. The plight of Jews in Israel, and that of people under warlords' tyrannies, as well as the continuing existence of slavery, etc., are terrible, but not all together very relevant to the debate. You can't contend that someone is not due restitution because someone else is being denied theirs and be right. The issues are important but separate. Just as a person negative of Islam is not obligated to point out every bad thing associated with Christianity, I'm not obligated to speak with equal voice about every crime against humanity that exists in the world.
Blacks were enslaved in the country over most of its first 350+ years. Other than the Britian's mistreatment of the Colonists, and the discrimination some European emigrants felt when their cultures clashed in the new world, non of them suffered to the same degree. Yes, there were indentured servants, but much of it was voluntary, and I don't believe it lasted as long as slavery did. You certainly can objectively gauge suffering in some cases. The possibility that some black slaves were well treated, often being those that could pass for white, the so called mullato, is anecdotal. The over picture here has to do with the way one group was treated overall. Irish need not apply signs, and such, are, I am sorry if this offends, terribe but not on the same level as slavery for its dehumanizing qualities. I won't deny there are worse examples to be made, but I highly doubt any can match slavery. The NA might have suffered as much or greater, but I don't see anyone as having had.
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